Protesters compare “Palestine” to Auschwitz and Dachau outside Israeli Embassy.

Yes, that really does say Auschwitz, Iraq, Dachau, Palestine.

Yes, that really does say Auschwitz, Iraq, Dachau, Palestine.

Some mocked the Holocaust, others disfigured the Israeli flag, a few screamed “Allahu Akbar”, they all called for the destruction of the Jewish state.

That was the scene outside London’s Israeli Embassy yesterday afternoon as many thousands thronged to hear blood-curdling speeches calling for the end of Israel.

Kensington High Street was closed off to traffic leaving London buses stranded by the protesters who requisitioned them and covered them with anti-Israel slogans.

The protest against Israel’s latest attack on Hamas in Gaza was a toxic mix of Islamists, trade unions like Unison, charities like War On Want, the Palestine Solidarity Campaign and, of course, the extreme religious Jewish sect Neturei Karta.

I knew I had outstayed my welcome when a protester grabbed me and shouted “A Zionist!”. I shook him off and made for the relative safety of the tube station.

Here’s a clip for you to savour some of yesterday’s toxicity and some photos:

Disfiguring Israel's flag. At least they didn't burn it.

Disfiguring Israel’s flag. At least they didn’t burn it.

"Cheap Jewish settlements" because Jews are tight money grabbers of course!

“Cheap Jewish settlements” because Jews are tight money grabbers of course!

War On Want's Executive Director John Hilary.

War On Want’s Executive Director John Hilary.

Agreed! Palestinians should be freed from their Hamas oppressors.

Agreed! Palestinians should be freed from their Hamas oppressors.

Is that because Israel builds bomb shelters but Hamas doesn't bother, possibly?

Is that because Israel builds bomb shelters but Hamas doesn’t bother, possibly?

Courageous guy climbs a traffic light.

Courageous guy climbs a traffic light.

They're the stars of the show at these hate events.

They’re the stars of the show at these hate events.

Will she be off to protest against Assad, Iran, ISIS and Boko Haram now?

Will she be off to protest against Assad, Iran, ISIS and Boko Haram now?

Police under pressure and looking under-numbered for once.

Police under pressure and looking under-numbered for once.

Libyan support despite things not looking too rosy in Libya either.

Libyan support despite things not looking too rosy in Libya either.

One of our buses gets occupied. Tell Boris!

One of our buses gets occupied. Tell Boris!

Remind me to invite him over for Friday night dinner soon.

Remind me to invite him over for Friday night dinner soon.

War On Want flags. WOW to be renamed War On Israel anyone?

War On Want flags. WOW to be renamed War On Israel anyone?

Not too sure what to say about this, so I think I'll leave it at that.

Not too sure what to say about this, so I think I’ll leave it at that.

Hmm, they mean Iran, Saudi, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq don't they? Oh wait...

Hmm, they mean Iran, Saudi, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq don’t they? Oh wait…

Can we have our bus back now please?

Can we have our bus back now please?

Errr, the problem is not Gaza, the problem is Hamas.

Errr, the problem is not Gaza, the problem is Hamas.

Ask them to ring back, you're at an anti-Israel protest!

Ask them to ring back, you’re at an anti-Israel protest!

War On Want No! Who can argue with that?

War On Want No! Who can argue with that?

Oh really. Now where does it say such a silly thing like that?

Oh really. Now where does it say such a silly thing like that?

"Cover up, sweety, it's getting a bit chilly". Aw.

“Cover up, sweety, it’s getting a bit chilly”. Aw.

(I dedicate this blog to the memory of my recently deceased mum whom I loved and miss and who, before she lost the ability to speak due to her terminal illness, always gave me one piece of treasured advice when she knew I was going to an anti-Israel event: “Be careful.”)

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183 responses to “Protesters compare “Palestine” to Auschwitz and Dachau outside Israeli Embassy.

  1. Richard, sorry about your Mum. Her advice was good of course. I cannot recognise the country where I grew up in the hate-filled faces of the hordes demonstrating against Israel defending itself. We have shelters and anti-missile systems here to protect our people, while Hamas drags its people to act as human shields to prevent Israel hitting their missile launchers, explosives factories etc. Where is the mob’s moral ground as they shriek slogans outside the Israeli Embassy? It certainly isn’t on the high ground.

  2. Richard, First of all, my condolences on the passing of your mother. I am assuming that her illness was the reason we have heard so little from you of late.
    Secondly – and to the subject of this post – where were the police? What you wrote about being grabbed by one of the rioters (and make no mistake, this bears all the hallmarks of a riot, not a mere “demonstration”) reminds me, chillingly, of descriptions I have read of pogroms, where rioters would fall gleefully upon anyone who appeared Jewish to them, shouting out “I’ve caught a Jew”. In fact, it’s exactly like the description of Kristallnacht in Jake Wallis Simons’ excellent novel “The English German Girl”.
    Re: the Neturei Karta quislings – isn’t it funny how the well-known ultra-orthodox Jewish reticence from being photographed seems to evaporate whenever they’re taking part in an anti-Israel hate fest?

    • Richard, I echo everything Shimona said. My sincere condolences.

      Shimona, regarding your comment about the NK, I would add:
      And what about the well-known ultra-Orthodox Jewish reticence from carrying on Shabbat outside of an eruv? (Didn’t apply here, but they’ve been seen holding banners at anti-Israel demonstrations on Shabbat.)

  3. My God. Now that you have lovingly fulfilled your duty to your dear late mum z”l, you should get away from all that and join us here! You would love it (and City of London Old Boys would manage!)

  4. Condolences. Your mum was right.- take care! “Zionism” is as much a death penalty offense as being Jewish was for Nazis. Hence, they are genocidal antisemites, ie Nazis.
    Death toll is only due to “Palestinians” who are foreced or brainwashed to serve as human shields and don’t evacuate designated and announced targets. As such, they are just either suicide or blamed on Hamas. So they should appear as thir victims and not counted and blamed on Israel.
    http://www.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/docs/v1_cha_chapter32_rule97:

    In the context of international armed conflicts, this rule is set forth in the Third Geneva Convention (with respect to prisoners of war), the Fourth Geneva Convention (with respect to protected civilians) and Additional Protocol I (with respect to civilians in general).[1] Under the Statute of the International Criminal Court, “utilizing the presence of a civilian or other protected person to render certain points, areas or military forces immune from military operations” constitutes a war crime in international armed conflicts.[2]
    The prohibition of using human shields is contained in numerous military manuals, many of which extend the prohibition to all civilians.[3] Using human shields constitutes a criminal offence under the legislation of many States.[4] This practice includes that of States not, or not at the time, party to Additional Protocol I or to the Statute of the International Criminal Court.[5]

    Hamas is a war criminal organization, something implied by its terrorist status anyway. I’m waiting for the protesters to condemn that, but not holding my breath!

  5. Hi, Richard, this is Natalie Wood using her husband, Brian Fink’s account. First, sincere wishes for a ‘long life’ from us both. Yes, Jewish mums are always the wisest! But to get straight to the point: As Brian’s just remarked to me, the U.K., alas is no longer a place for Jewish people. The spike in naked antisemitism is reason enough – let alone anything that may be Israel-related. And yes, once you’ve got that mob arrested and sentenced for commandeering a municipal bus while it was bearing passengers, then I definitely agree that you should pack your gear and come and join us here b’Aretz where me thinks you’d be more than useful to our heroes in the IDF ….

  6. Thank you for your hard work over the years David. Very sorry to hear about your Mum. Besides her worry for you, I don’t doubt she was immensely proud of you. Keep safe. x

  7. Richard
    You need to take care mixing with such vermin . I don’t think I could do it . Just thinking of being in their toxic midst is enough to make my skin crawl .

    I just spoke to a colleague in Israel . He made the interesting point that if it was not for the Iron Dome , Gaza would have been flattened by now . In other words the Dome has prevented mass casualties on the Israeli side which has in turn saved Palestinian lives . That could all change if rockets manage to evade the system and hit a high density target , school or shopping centre .

    As for that scum yesterday , it s a pity that Kensington could not roll out one of those people scooper refuse vehicles seen in Soylent Green . Stay safe and speak soon .

  8. If Dachau and Auschwitz had been only as bad as Gaza there would have been several million displaced Jews available in 1948 to found Israel in an incontrovertible a manner as the movement of Poland 200 miles to the West; and if Gaza were really a re-run of Dachau and Auschwitz there would be no Palestine Arabs to hold demos about!

  9. Hi Richard,

    Good shots – do you mind if I use a couple on my blog?

    Posting you to Twitter.

    Shabbat Shalom,

    Nick

    Nick Gray Director Christian Middle East Watch Website & blog – www.cmew.org.uk Twitter – @cmew2 LinkedIn – Nick Gray Facebook – CMEW

  10. Well done Richard for again bearing witness, we wish you and your family long life

  11. Richard

    When will you learn? All they want is a little peace! A little peace of Jerusalem, a little peace of Tel Aviv, a little peace of Hebron. Actually, no, I lie they want ALL of ISRAEL! Hamas wants to destroy Israel. they want to

    exterminate all the Jews. They want us all dead and they hide behind this nakba nonsence.

  12. i’m sorry about your mom.

  13. Wishing you long life , Richard . Thanks for this report . It’s important to report the hatred especially to those who don’t believe it. But sadly it has a side effect .Exposure to hatred over and over again needs to be counteracted with the knowledge of the good Israel is doing in the world.This can be found in weekly news of Israel’s amazing achivements in medicine , technology , ecology and humanitarian work at http://www.verygoodnewsisrael.blogspot.com

  14. Errol & Elaine Racussen

    well, the uk prides itself on free speech, a pity they dont include ‘truth in free speech”, the sad thing it that these are ignorant people, who know nothing of the Holocaust, dont want to know, but Europe is going to get its just deserts, all this freedom leads to the Lee Rigbys of the world…………………..good luck Richard……………………….Adam from CIF is my cousin.

  15. sackcloth and ashes

    Richard, you have my sincere condolences over the loss of your mother. Mine passed away last year, again after terminal cancer, so if it’s any consolation you are not alone.

    Keep up the good work.

  16. I will also chip in condolences over the loss of your mother.

  17. richard, I put your report on face book, hope it wakes people up about what is happening in the western world -as well.Have a good week

  18. I wonder how those demonstrators would react if they heard the sirens going off warning of arriving missiles in 90 seconds?

  19. Anybody know what’s keeping the celebs away this time around? The Annie Lennoxes. The Brian Enos. Is it not a trendy cause anymore?

  20. Welcome back Richard, and what a grand entry! You have documented the UK of today that is no less than Germany 1933. And of course, but for you nobody would know this. Were any arrested for hijacking a London bus or forcing the closure of an entire London High Street? I wouldn’t bet on it.

    Glad you’re safe. Be strong.

  21. שהמקום ינחם אותך בתוך שאר אבלי ציון וירושלים

  22. Some mocked the Holocaust, others disfigured the Israeli flag, a few screamed “Allahu Akbar”, they all called for the destruction of the Jewish state.

    You make a valid point (comparing Gaza to concentration camps is silly), then go on to make the same mistake of silly over exaggeration: there were no ‘calls for the destruction of the Jewish state’. But in your mind, any opposition to Israel’s policies equates to the latter. It undermines any validity your opposition to the opposition might have.

    “Cheap Jewish settlements” because Jews are tight money grabbers of course!

    If you put the bar for antisemitism that low, you will find it everywhere and thus also… nowhere. If it was meant as a joke, you’ve just told an antisemitic joke. Well done (NOT)!

    Sincere condolences re. your loss. The loss of a parent is a very hard thing.

    • Colin Stephenson

      “comparing Gaza to concentration camps is silly” – NO IT IS A DREADFUL COMPARISON – since Beirut Bombings of 81 & Lebanon Campaign of 82 it has become a crux of the argument against Israel & it has been used to turn many Churches on Israel – no need TO excuse an ugly & embarrassing Christian past just look at how the Jews behave when they have the upper hand – and no need to allow the Jews a state because of the holocaust as they are as bad – not that Israel’s claim to the land is about the holocaust

      I first heard the claim “what Israel is doing in Lebanon is worse than what the Nazis did to the Jews” in my parents’ house back in 82 from a woman with a PhD no less – VERY WORRYING

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  24. Dear Richard, I wish you long life free of further sorrow. You really fulfilled the 5th commandment in an exemplary way.

    I noticed that if the demo took place yesterday, ie Shabbat, how come the Neturei Karta were there carrying their flags….there is no eruv in Kensington, methinks?
    Perhaps, or maybe surely, they are imposters?

  25. Colin Stephenson

    re Perspective Death Toll pic

    Maybe its because Israel protects its people with shelters while Hamas SHELTER THEIR BOMBS WITH PEOPLE

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  27. Great pictures Richard, well done…

  28. Richard, words fail me when I see those pictures from the streets of London. They are simply horrifying and I’m glad I got out all those years ago. To see the over-the-top viciousness and drooling irrational hatred of Israel over and above any reasonable level gives me the shivers. Howard Jacobson addressed that very subject a few years ago and it is still relevant today.

    Your late mother was right in her instruction to you: Be careful. You are lucky you got away unscathed. It looks like it wouldn’t have taken much to turn that demo into a full scale riot.

    My sincere condolences on your loss. May you know no more sorrow.

  29. So sorry to hear of your mother.

    I imagine you brought her so much pride and happiness.

  30. Just more reasons why I will never again visit Britain.

  31. Chant this:

    From the River to the Sea
    palestine Will Never Be!

  32. Why doesn’t Neturei Karta go to Gaza where they as “authentic Jews” can join their fellow Anti-Zionists, and defend Hamass as Human Shields?

  33. Here are some links to put Islamofascism in perspective.

    Mein Kampf” makes it to Palestinian bestseller list”. Agence France-Presse. September 8, 1999.

    Mein Kampf in the Arabic language

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mein_Kampf_in_the_Arabic_language

    Google Images “arab nazi salute”

    1941 The Grand Mufti meets Hitler

    Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact – AKA hitler-Stalin Pact

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact

    Today it’s the Red/Green Axis of Evil – Socialists, back to their fascist roots..

  34. The Youtube video at the top is a 21st century Nuremberg Rally in London complete with chanting mobs and cries of death to Jews.

  35. danielmarks

    Richard, I join everybody else on this blog in wishing you comfort together with others who mourn for Zion and Jerusalem. I know that a lot of responsibility for looking after fell on you- there are few greater mitsvot

    As I write these lines we are exactly two hours before the ceasefire. Views regarding whether Israel should have continued with a ground operation in Gaza and how much has been achieved are divided and my superficial knowledge of military and diplomatic matters furnish me with no tools with which to form an intelligent opinion. Instead, i”ll fast and pray.

  36. Richard, Your parents must have been wonderful people. You are a reflection of their values, intelligence and guts.

    G-d Bless your Mother and Father forever.

  37. For “progressives” who forget, who want to forget…

    1941 The Grand Mufti meets Hitler

  38. Don’t let them get you down, Rich. Even in this mess, there is a bright side . . .

    http://melchettmike.wordpress.com/2014/07/15/as-good-as-it-gets/

    And keep up the great work!

  39. danielmarks

    Well, that was a quick ceasefire! Apparently the Hamas felt that the Egyptians didn’t consult them enough, so they subjected Gaza and Israel to another day of bombing. At least they didn’t lose face.

    Yup., prayers are always answered. It:’s just that sometimes the answer is “No.

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  44. Shame they didn’t catch hold of you….I see all the Zionist c’rap you troll out RT Debates.

    • TR, You can watch all the so-called “palestinian” and regressive “progressive” c’rap you want, but the reality of Islamism, being at War with everybody, bombing London transport on 7/7/05, beheading soldier Lee Rigby, open threats of 9/11 scale massacres, do more to undermine your regressive group-think than you realize.

      Happy Eternal Nakba!

    • Rossini, can’t argue that you’re not an expert on crap as you talk nothing else.

  45. I’m left stunned by world events today. I’m appalled by man;s inhumanity to man. I’ve studied the Holocaust and can’t believe that dreadful genocide was allowed to happen. I have neither a racist nor an anti-semitic bone in my body. Yet I’m shocked at some of the flippant posts that are written here, especially some of the ‘witty’ comments under the photos of the London protest. What is happening to civilians, especially children, in Gaza right now leaves me so sad. Where is your humanity that not an ounce of sympathy for innocent victims of war is expressed here? I would have thought, given the inhumanity shown to so many Jews since time immemorial, that some empathy with other innocents having their lives destroyed by war would be conveyed.

    • Genocide? Where? Are you mad? ‘Palestinians’ in 1948: 700K. ‘Palestinians’ in 2014: 5.5M. Which population even multiplied by 6 under a ‘genocide’.
      But maybe you mean that Israeli policies are Nazism. Then, by US definition of antisemitism, you’re an antisemite.
      Tsahal is the most moral army among all democracies and has shown both restraint and humanity. Nor army has done as much to safeguard the innocents in the history of warfare. This was finally admitted by the UN, who has rejected facts and evidence for so long.

      • You have misunderstood my post, The dreadful genocide I refer to IS that OF the Holocaust.
        However, having spent the last few hours watching the news (on various channels), I’m afraid that your comment:
        ‘No(r) army has done as much to safeguard the innocents in the history of warfare.’
        belies belief. Exactly how much time were the 80K residents of Shajaiya given to evacuate their homes and get out (to where?) following the warning notices being dropped?
        To then presume I MAY ‘mean that Israeli policies are Nazism’ and would therefore be an antisemite, leaves me open mouthed. Your presumption is knee jerk and way off the mark.
        Just because I feel horror and compassion at seeing children killed does not make me an anti-anything. I feel exactly the same whenever and wherever I see innocents caught up in the horrors of conflict, be that the still unbelievable and appalling treatment of human beings arising from Hitler’s Nazi policies through to conflicts of today and of others in history.

        I’m going to Google ‘Israelis against the killing of Palestinian civilians’ in the hope that I can find SOME Israeli compassion for the innocent lives being lost. If I’m successful I’ll post the details here. So far, reading Richard’s post and the subsequent replies, I haven’t found any at all.

      • Are you mad? That is exactly your mistake: compare the Holocaust to what ‘Palestinians’ are experiencing. I remind you that this kind of comparison is enough to call you an antisemite.
        Then rather than doing your stupid Google search to confirm your prejudices, just try to blame the right persons for the death of ‘Palestinians': the Hamas, not Israel.
        Until you manage to figure out Israel did not want this war and did and still does more to safeguard civilians than any other army in the history of warfare, you will be an full-fledged antisemite spreading propaganda for a terror group.

    • Please show us the mild reaction you posted when three Israeli children were abducted and killed. What did you say when you saw ‘Palestinians’ distributing sweets to delebrate?
      Nothing? That is what I thought! Your ‘humanity’ only gets into gear when Jews can be accused, even if totally irrelevant.
      Joy, you’re just a self-righteous antisemite. You don’t fool anyone here.

      • I didn’t post anything because I only came across this site and read this blog on Friday night, following which I made my first ever post on here. Anybody who knows me would laugh out loud at your ludicrous accusation. To be called a ‘self -righteous antisemite’ is simply preposterous! You need to think hard before you make such awful sweeping accusations about people. You have insulted me. My humanity is always in gear, it does not differentiate. You know absolutely nothing about me. my life, my circumstances.
        Jose, your ill-conceived comments have simply saddened me further.

    • Joy, You say you studied the Holocaust.

      Do you think that Gaza is in any way comparable to the Warsaw ghetto?

      Does Hamass demand that civilians stay in their homes, despite warnings, leaflets and phone calls from Israel that the area is targeted for bombing due to the fact that Hamass uses the area to launch rockets, store rockets?

      Is the fact that Hamass uses civilians to protect their weapons and command centers a War Crime?

      I have sympathy for the victims of the 7/7/05 London transport bombings. NOT for the British Muslim terrorists behind the bombings.

      Try Google Images “arab nazi salute” and tell us what you think.

      You say you studied the Holocaust. Now study the Hamass Charter of 1988 – the same year that Pan Am 103 was bombed.

      http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp

    • Which witty photo captions are you referring to?

      Which one(s) shocked you?

      Where have you posted your concern for children and innocents in Syria, where 160,000+ have died. That’s Arabs/Muslims killing Arabs/Muslims.

      Where have you posted your outrage over the beheading of British soldier Lee Rigby, beheaded by a convert to the “Religion of Peace”?

      • There is a hoax video showing Israelis in Sderot watching interceptions by Iron Dome and cheering. Posted with a comment saying they watch bombing of Gaza (although too far from them to see) and cheer. Probably to fight the effect produced by the one showing the ‘Palestinian’ fat mamas distributing sweets in the Gaza and Hebron streets after the abudction and the murder of the three Israeli teens last month.

  46. Just gone on to read further replies.
    I should have known better than to express any compassion for Palestinian children on this blog. You have no idea what my feelings are/ were towards the events you have listed above. Do you really believe that my feeling outraged about the awful loss of life happening in Gaza means that my compassion is for this situation in isolation? I wish I’d never come across this narrow- minded site.

    • What you express is not compassion for ‘Palestinians’. If you did, you would blame Hamas for what they do to their people, not Israel. If you can’t take the heat, stay away of the kitchen and keep your bigoted, uneducated stances for yourself. I, for one, won’t miss them.

  47. Nick Kopaloff

    I share Joy’s compassion and empathy for the suffering of all non-combatants. She is no doubt a kind humanitarian and should be commended rather than scathed. The footage of seeing a Palestinian father receiving the doctor’s negative head-shake beside the bed of his lifeless daughter, is a crippling heart-wrenching scene we should not wish on our worst enemies.
    But having just come out of the shelter after another rocket barrage this morning – and seeing that 10 (luckily now dead) Hamas terrorists emerged from a tunnel within Israel with the aim to kill men women and children in two Israeli Kibbutzim I would remind Joy:
    1) The official Hamas charter or covenant states: ‘Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it.’
    2) The 2,000 rockets mercilessly fired on Israel, show that the terrorists have a different mindset to you Joy, and they are backing up their despicable words with totally unprovoked terrorist actions. They want to kill Jews and destroy Israel.

    3) We build schools and shelters and educate for love and coexistence. They buy rockets and missiles and spend billions on scores of kilometer long underground tunnels whose soul aim is to kill jews. They teach their children to hate and hate and hate – and they give out sweets in celebration of every Jew killed. They revised their “V” Victory sign to a three fingered salute to celebrate the kidnapping and murder of the three Israeli teenagers.

    3) A proportional response as prescribed by many commentators would require Israel to fire 2,000 missiles intentionally on civilian targets in urban areas. That would have caused a veritable massacre – We are better than that.

    4) So while we never target civilians, Israel must respond and annihilate the threat – despite the regrettable and unintentional loss of civilian life which the cowardly Hamas deliberately brings upon itself by firing their missiles from civilian centers.

    4) And coming from a family, where my mother and grandparents were Holocaust survivors and many of my family perished in the ovens of Aushwitz, I take offense at any comparison between Israel’s absolute obligation to defend its citizens, and the Nazis extermination of the Jews.

    Joy write’s :”My humanity is always in gear, it does not differentiate”
    Perhaps it is about time you started.

    • Obviously, Joy’s humanity has two gears: one that is always new and strong for the ‘Palestinians’ and one on free wheel for the Jews. The double standard was evident, the antisemitism clear.

  48. Richard, I live in the US and enjoy your reporting of the awful things going on in the UK. Keep up your important work documenting the depravity of the regressive progressives, duplicitous socialists and dangerous islamofascists.

    As Mr. Spock says;
    Live Long and Prosper!

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  50. the fact of the matter is israel has lost the information wars, it’s that simple, no matter how strong it’s military and it’s right, it has lost. this is directly related to it’s arrogance when it comes to global opinion, it was never good at public relations in the last 20 years and unfortunately this type of superficiality is what counts. the delegitimisation went into overdrive, it’s own history was re written by the other side.
    in my travels through israel i was always amazed at how nieve the population was to the perception war. i’ve been warning them for years that they needed to counter the propaganda with strong legal action. ‘we have a strong army,’ was the reply.
    the battle field is the mind, israel has lost. people are stupider now than they were 40 years ago, the mind is easy to invade as people have been dumbed down and accept the most outrageous fictions as truth, david icke springs to mind, he has more influence on people than the idf spokesman, check almost any conspiracy video and it only takes three to five comments before the word zionism is mentioned. zionism! when i was a kid that meant believing jews have a homeland in israel where they can determine their fate. what a joke that turned out to be. nowadays it means we are reptiles from another planet with global domination as our plan. people believe this!
    lets face it we need is an alternative solution, something very different, a total game changer. i think israel needs to pull a rabbit out of the hat, and fast!

    • I’m tired to hear that Israel has lost “information war”. When bilions post stupidities on social media and self-styled journalists repeat them, you got to lost something. But it is not “information war”. It is the mass-propaganda war, the war to win the stupids of this planet. And they are a majority.
      Let’s not add one by being part of them.

      Israel on the other hand has 6M Jews and the rest of the world shares about 9M others. Compared to 1B that are antisemites, there is got to be a point where the fight is not fair, even with the best PR.

      At that point, it is better to totally neglect these PR stupidities and start acting to close the UN agencies leading the enemy PR, starting with UNRWA and UNHRC.

  51. it makes no difference what you call it information, propaganda, it makes no difference millions vs billions, the problem is not not being part of it, that’s like putting your head in the sand. the fact is israel needs to challenge the very notion of the info war by being interventionist. you suggest being close to un agencies, i’d say they need to do much better than be close to them, they need to expose them. they are the enemy, they are no different than hamas.
    the fight has never been fair, its completely irrational but there is no point in ignoring it or thinking bombs will change it. has it worked so far?

    • As I understand, you are saying that you’ll put your head in the sand and blame the non-victory of Israeli PR on Israel, neglecting all the factors I mentioned. Why don’t you blame Iraq to have crumbled before mighty US Army?
      Bombs are a good argument when nothing else work, btw. And nothing else worked until now.

      • jose, i don’t think you understand the nature of my comments and have misrepresented them. you say you are tired hearing isreal lost the info war and it is all propaganda, yes this is the truth, it is all propaganda and isreal has lost the war for peoples minds, by doing nothing original, and thinking a military will solve its problems. that is all i am saying. nothing else works because israel does nothing else, it then scratches its head wondering why the world hates it. i suggest it combat the disinformation first, journalists should have been sued, reporters careers ruined due to their bias and incorrect facts, historians challenged and sued, political leaders sued under hate laws exactly the same way the islamists do. for a country with such brilliant minds they all seemed focused on artillery winning wars. it won’t, it can’t and it has not happened in 60 years because here we go again! doing the same thing.
        while you seem to suggest it is the best strategy, i am suggesting einstein’s remark ‘insanity is to repeat doing the same thing and expecting a different result’ is correct.
        don’t use weapons to fight the war, use your brain. that’s what we are good at and that’s how we could have won the war against the perception hat exists.

      • I like when people say I misrepresented what they say then proceed to explain exactly the same thing over and over. What is that? Argumentum ad libitum? I’m already yawning.
        Israel cannot win the propanganda war. We are just outnumbered. Best thing is to continue to ignore it. And we do. Yesterday, a hospital wing was targeted after we ascertained no patient was there, only Hamas terrorists. It will be used as propaganda but who cares? That was the only proper thing to do.

      • You’re certainly I’ll placed to quote Einstein, since it is you who suggest the insae strategy of gesticulating to frighten the mighty pro-Arab block representing half of the planet. I doubt they’ll be afraid by 15M Jews making “boo” at them.
        So best is what Israel does and even less. don’t take anything antisemitic media says. Ignore the Goldstone reports that crumble under their own weight of lies anyway. Arabs spend a lot of money to get the lies going on. When they get sick and tired of it, they will find another strategy.
        But go on hiding your head in the sand proposing your Einstein-genius’ strategy to idiotic Israel. I’m sure she will listen to such genial guy explaining them how to think!

      • gary, Did Einstein ever play slot machines – he would get different results on every pull of the One-Armed Bandit.

        Eurabia hates Israel, despite Islamofascists openly threatening Eurabia with 9/11 scale atrocities, and bombings, and shootings, the beheading of Lee Rigby, the spitting on of British soldiers in Luton, the arresting of a man reading the words of Winston Churchill regarding Islam, the 7/7/05 attacks, the bombing of Pan Am 103.

        Europe AKA Eurabia hates Jews? That’s a dog bites man news story.

        And Israel is in a VERY strong position when it comes to Eurabia. Islamists in Eurabia are increasingly demanding and murderous. The day WILL come when Arabs/Muslims will cross the line and commit some atrocity which will end the fantasy of “the Religion of Peace” in Eurabia. It’s inevitable.

        Meanwhile Israel needs to stay strong, NEVER submit to Islamofascism or Eurofascism. Let Eurabia reap the whirlwind of EuroIslamism.

        Israel is ready and able to fight Islamofascism. Eurabia is ready to submit.

  52. jose- exactly the kind of arrogance i was alluding towards, not only have you been incredibly disingenuous, you have degraded the discussion. this is why people don’t warm to whatever you have to say no matter how ‘right’ or true’ it is it always comes across as arrogant, rude and ridiculous. firstly you state incredible inaccuracies about my comments, then you insult me as though i am the enemy. i will not respond again because you have proved to everyone with a shred of insight what i have written is correct. i’m the first to admit, it’s distasteful to those who love israel but unless people like you can show some ability to listen and engage without reverting to extreme insults, without even knowing anything about me or giving room to those who have different ideas on this subject then the situation will forever repeat.

    • Of course, Israel is arrogant not to listen to stupidities and not believe that fighting with the same tools at odds of 1 against 100 is a possible win. Now until you show us how well you perform on this blog, I will continue to say you are a ludicrous, pretentious, armchair warrior.

  53. edward- you have taken a more nuanced approach which i can appreciate, yes israel should never give in the way eurabia has, i have followed the decline since the rushdie fatwah, where the islamic council decided to hold all publishers to blackmail and from hat point any book or work that took a critical look at islam was never published. i completely agree, which is also why israel does need to pull something else from it’s bag of tricks.
    its a brilliant country, my family live there and i visit often. i’ve supported it 100% but i do really think it’s time for a completely new strategy, this can run in parallel to it’s military defence.
    i do think the problem is a pr one, here’s an example although it’s very simple and sounds dumb it worked.
    many years ago in one of the wars we were constantly watching a very overweight isreali figure attempt in very bad english justify to the tv cameras what was happening. he was fine, everything he said made sense but the viewers took no notice as did the interviewer. their minds were made up already.
    then one evening he was replaced with a very sexy blond with vibrant blue eyes and she spoke in perfect english, even began to challenge the interviewer and flirt with him.
    incredibly the interviewer shifted his whole position, he and the viewers were being influenced by this gender shift and the energy it was creating. i knew viewers changed their opinions as everyone was talking about it the next day and letters in newspapers were all discussing this along with the content of her conversation.
    in all my years as a active supporter of isreal have i never seen an effect like this upon it’s detractors, mostly the non muslim men, but lets accept this demography does still have influence in the UK , USA, Australia and Canada.
    now obviously this will not shift extremists but it does influence more moderate types, and the effect was very positive for isreal. however that spokeswoman was never seen again. as far as poker machines go, that was the jackpot when it came to public relations. and the pr machine of israel may not be einstein but they could have gone for a few more jackpots like that.
    anyway, that’s a silly example of the kind of thinking israel needs to at least consider, it’s probably far to late now anyway.

    i have noticed a lot of lefty type jews also seem to support anti israel groups, these people are very influential, usually journalists, tv celebs, writers etc. what’s happening with them? why do they chose to target israel and not the fascists that it has for neighbours. these people are actually really dangerous as they get all the spots on tv and radio. and when jews say israel is the enemy, we are in trouble.

    • Here is the solution! replace Abba Eban with Bar Refaeli! I knew Israel had missed this one!

    • The WORST spokesman for Israel was Ehud Barak.

      His “Ah…”, “Eh..” after every word was a real turn off.

      Israel needs spokesmen/spokeswomen who speak perfect English, French, Spanish, German, Chinese…

      I love Mordechai Kedar who seems to me to speak perfect Arabic and once was intervewed on Al Jazzera and told the uncomfortable truth to his Arab Al Jazeera and viewers.

      It’s on Youtube.

      The fact is Hamass HIDES like snakes in burrows and the women and children are out in the open, literal Human Shields for cowardly Hamass.

      Khalid Mashaal resides in Qatar, not in Gaza – taking the easy jihad out.

  54. here’s a great interview i found which supports what i am attempting to explain, perhaps she does a far better job. however no matter what you think about it, listen and then comment in a reasonable way rather than a barrage of emotive defence’s. she makes very valid points in a very articulate way.

  55. ah, here it is

    http://www.israelvideonetwork.com/the-most-enlightened-women-you-will-ever-hear

    listen to how shocked the interviewer is by the comments, completely shocked by these comments. yet this has been occurred for 20 years.

    • And many others like this one, including Netanyahu’s (whose English is quite impressive) discourses. Melanie Phillips ignore all these, just as you do.
      Ignoring that money and numbers work for the Arab insanity side.

  56. Nonsense supported by money and numbers has more appeal than facts and reason.

  57. Daniel Marks

    I recommend to the readers of this excellent blog that they might have several glasses of single malt scotch (or some other intoxicating beverage and then sit back and enjoy:

    http://www.glennbeck.com/2014/07/25/tensions-flare-when-hannity-repeatedly-asks-palestinian-guest-is-hamas-a-terrorist-organization/

    I’d be furious if someone spoke to me like that, but it was quite funny:

    Why didn’t he just say, “No, it isn’t and if you like I’ll explain why” Then he could have gone into his narrative. It would have been so much easier. And when the interviewer refered to his “thick skull” why didn’t he walk out. Just look at the shock on his face when that happens. They weren’t going to give him a chance to get a word in edgeways anyway.

  58. i did see that interview but it is a shame not many of the MSM will offer similar chances for people to, it’s one narrative, and thats the one most people on earth are following.. did you see the guardian this morning

    http://www.theguardian.com/au

    the banner across the screen fails to mention al jaz is funded by quatar whom also funds hamas. our tax funded abc shows two hours of al jaz every night, never once do they offer this little nugget of information.
    remarkable manipulation of people en mass, orwellian indeed.

  59. Hamas is deemed a terrorist organisation by just a handful of countries in the world. All economically tied together. In a democracy the majority rules. Its about time you folks caught up with the rest of the world.

    • Hamass is an offshoot of the Islamofascist Muslim Brotherhood and a client of Fascist Iran.

      Egypt has no love for the Muslim Brotherhood or Hamass. Th MB was responsible for the assassination of Anwar Sadat and their guy, Morsi, was leading Egypt to destruction. Hence the Egyptian blockade of Gazastan.

      • Egypt has plenty love for Hamas. Sisi does not. The revolution was hijacked and it is becoming very apparent on the streets of Egypt. Morsi will be freed and Sisi will soon be running.

      • kezra,

        Court confirms Egypt Muslim Brotherhood death sentences

        http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-27952321

        “An Egyptian court has confirmed death sentences for 183 Muslim Brotherhood supporters accused of a 2013 attack on a police station, lawyers say.”

      • Looks like India is turning away from supporting the antisemites in the ME. China will do as soon as the oil gets from somewhere else. That’s alreadi 2.5B human beings. Russia is for Russia only and ME is only a place to fight US influence for them. Brazil is supporting a loser, Abbas, and South Africa is turning into a racist banana republic, Venezuela-style.

        On and btw, there are no “Jewish-only roads”, no discrimination of entrance and residence based on religion or other legitimate political motives (terrorism being a reason why any country would refuse entrance/residence) etc.
        Israel is a democracy unlike any of the countries in the racist ME that you support.
        Try to get your facts straight before you come with your propaganda here.

      • You are an outmoded and outdated alliance and no amount of belly-aching can change the fact your time is coming to an end. Of course you will go fighting, its the only way you know. The BRICS Development Bank is already shaking your foundations and whatever ‘facts’ you have stated does not change the reality on the ground that IT IS HAPPENING.

        No Jewish only roads – so Palestinian and Israeli Muslims are allowed to enter Jewish settlements? Jewish only buses are okay though hence you cannot reprimand them. What would Rosa Parks think.

        ‘Terrorism’ is the only reason Israel denies entrance to people? So the entire nations of the many countries banned from entering Israel are terrorists? Not a very democratic way of thinking is it.

      • The BRICS Development Bank? Does that even exist? If it does, Israel managed very well without it. It can continue this way for the better. LOOOOL! Where are you from? Planet Mars?

        No Jewish-only road, stupid. Any Israeli can use them, including Arabs. That is a fact. “Palestinians” are not Israeli citizens and cannot use them, fortunately. You wouldn’t want terrorists to use roads in order to massacre people as they did to the Fogel family, would you?

        By the way, no country is banned from entering Israel, this is again a reversal of the truth. I can show you an Indonesian passport stating it is valid for all countries except Israel. Indonesian, as all Muslim countries, is highly racist, but Indonesia is one of the least racist among them. See ADL study for details.
        So the reversal is that no Jew (not Israeli, Jew) may enter Saudi Arabia and no Israeli may enter Muslim countries with a few exceptions.

      • Such an ignorant of the truth cannot be Jewish, so I guess you are living in one of the racist countries around Israel. Obviously not Syria and Iraq, or you would have more sense of realities… Right?

      • The blind ignorance here is outstanding. The bank has just launched. You will feel its effects soon enough. Already the World Bank and the IMF are shaking.

        Iran, Afghanistan,  Lebanon,Libya, Sudan, Syria, Iraq, Pakistan, Yemen, WB and Gaza ALL denied entry under the ‘Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law’. Saudi is run by a thoroughly corrupt monarchy which Israel supports and emulates in many a thing this law being just one.

        Segregated roads in Israel: Road 60, Road 443, Road 45. Only Israeli Arab LABOURERS for settlers are granted licences to use these roads.

        Shulamit Aloni, the former Education Minister of Israel has confirmed the Jews-only roads which you hotly deny. “When a Palestinian drives on such a road, his vehicle is confiscated and he is sent on his way.

        On one occasion I witnessed such an encounter between a driver and a soldier who was taking down the details before confiscating the vehicle and sending its owner away. “Why?” I asked the soldier. “It’s an order–this is a Jews-only road”, he replied. I inquired as to where was the sign indicating this fact and instructing [other] drivers not to use it. His answer was nothing short of amazing. “It is his responsibility to know it, and besides, what do you want us to do, put up a sign here and let some antisemitic reporter or journalist take a photo so he that can show the world that Apartheid exists here?”

      • Every country that you mention isn’t banned from Israel. Their citizens are even allowed to use an external leaflet so that their passport will not bear the “infamous” trace of an Israeli entry stamp.
        You’re repeating propaganda.
        Which country are you from? Egypt, Iran or Pakistan?

      • Shulamit Aloni? Nobody needs her confirmation since there is no such road? Do you deny Israeli Arabs can take those roads? No? Then they are Israeli-only roads.
        Any test with a foreigner is stupid and invalidates any “Apartheid” claim.
        By the way, can Israelis enter Ramallah? Do you want me to post the picture of the panel at the entry of the city?
        Are you from Egypt, Iran, or Pakistan?

      • LOOOOL ! So a bank that has just launched, which has never been used by Israel would threaten the economy of Israel?
        You are not living in a movie, you ate a full plate of magic mushrooms!

      • Look out for me at the next Gaza demo in London on the 9th August. I’m sure you will recognise my placard.

      • “Deat to all juice!” Now I remember you!

      • That was actually quite funny! I dont often use LOL but I did actually do it this time. I love all peoples, I love all Semitic peoples, your religion doesn’t matter to me. Actually I’m going for the classic ‘Shit is fucked up and stuff’. Not very original but the humour is getting sucked out of everything these days. Thankfully we still have a lot of Jewish writers putting out some great TV. I will post some photos of me at the demo afterwards here and save Richard the bother. Shalom, Salam, Peace.

      • After the horrors of your terrorist speech, you want to inflict us the horrors of your face at the racist demos? What have we done to deserve such torture!

      • kezra,

        You are traveling on Taqiyya Only roads leading to Taqiyya Only cites.

        http://cache1.asset-cache.net/gc/72956966-highway-sign-on-the-road-to-mecca-points-out-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=OCUJ5gVf7YdJQI2Xhkc2QCt2lTKiXc2zf0iz1yKiis8pvBinGrpvc9hyWDLMIxlk

        Oh look. The signs says “Muslims Only” that lead to “Muslims Only” city called Mecca, Makka,

        Happy Eternal Nakba kezra!

      • Let’s review kezra’s arguments:
        blames Jewish-only roads (there aren’t) while its Muslim who have Muslim-only roads and sites
        only defense for Arab antisemitism is that Arabs are Semites, showing she doesn’t know the meaning of “antisemitism”
        support a known antisemite, pro 9/11, writing in a former scientific journal called the Lancet, known for its anti-Israel publications
        blames Israelis for un-quantified racism while she never admits the 80% average antisemitism (not including other racisms) in Arab countries
        blames Israel for killing “Palestinians” supposedly innocent but doesn’t open her mouth when Hamas send 3000 rockets in attempt to kill obviously innocent Israelis
        blames a lunatic fringe in Israel without any kind of popular support or power and absolves 25% of genocide-supporters in the Muslim world some of which have power in PA/Hamasland, in Iran, in Syria, in Iraq, in Afghanistan, in Pakistan, etc.

        She is so biased that the word “antisemite” doesn’t even start to describe her.

    • Yes, we’ll catch up with Syria, iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, etc. And declare Hamas a charity!
      Maybe we could also deny women the right to vote, while we are at it.

      You ignore who’s got the moral high grounds, clearly!

      • It is typical to take the ‘moral’ high ground and proclaim yourself better than these countries and others that suupport Hamas such as China and Russia and to ignore any abuses committed by the states that have banned them. But the fact is the world majority are on the side of Hamas.

      • kezra,

        ” Hamas is designated as a terrorist organization by Israel, the United States,[11] the United Kingdom,[12] Canada,[13] the European Union,[14][15] Jordan,[16] Egypt[17] and Japan.”

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

        The majority of YOUR world are socialist, islamofascist, appeasing dictatorships.

      • If this is your entire reasoning for Egypt supporting Israel then I am in no doubt you are misinformed. Sisinyahu runs Misrael for now. This is not the will of the people. Over 40,000 people have been detained over the last 12 months since Sisi rose to power and countless more intimidated and bullied into submission. Lets take a moment to remember all of those that have been murdered. Dont forget the AlJazeera journalists sentenced to 7 years in prison. Do not tell me Sisi is representative of the people. This month alone he has increased the price of meat by 20% and bread by 35%. The voter turnout was so low state TV had to beg people to come out to the polling booths. Completely unlike the previous three rounds of voting where the population stood for days in the heat of the sun to support the Muslim Brotherhood. Sisi now has the whole military arsenal pointed at the people and they are scared. Yet they will never surrender their support for Palestine.

      • Your rant is totally irrelevant. No one spoke about Egypt, but you. Red herring. All Muslim countries are run by dictators or terrorist groups, except Turkey and for how long?
        No one supports HAMAS, I said, not “Palestinians”. Some are still deluded that they are different, but they aren’t. “Palestinians” elected the Hamas by a large majority in the Gaza Strip. The rest is Fatah and not much better, except they have a different way of trying to kill Jews. A little less stupid as well. Both combined are the worse government any (real) people could have. Now both are dictatorships, unelected for five years and not going to be for some more, until the inevitable civil war breaks out.

      • Turkey supports Hamas, as do the world majority and no amount of naysay will change this. The only countries in the world to deny Hamas their rights are Israel, US, EU, Japan, UK, Canada, Jordan, Egypt. The other 188 countries of the world have done no such thing.

        You have given me a good laugh with your idea that Sisi was democratically elected. Silly foolish people.

      • Turkey is 69% antisemitic. No doubt antisemites support “Palestinians”, which they still discriminate from Hamas. Very stupid attempt. No country except Qatar and Iran support Hamas, left to use human shields to defend when they very stupidly attack the Jewish State.

  60. kezra,
    “the world majority are on the side of Hamas” HA! HA! HA! Most of the Arab states in the Middle East are silently cheering for Israel.

    China and Russia – shining examples of democracy at its best?
    And another kezra “gem”:
    “Hamas is deemed a terrorist organisation by just a handful of countries in the world. All economically tied together. In a democracy the majority rules. Its about time you folks caught up with the rest of the world”

    Hamas – the democratically-selected representative of democracy?

    Why not go all the way, and say that “Hamas” is from the Latin “amo AMAS amat” and actually means “love”?

    • The arab monarchies will soon turn on you. Only fools trust in their support.

      You live an illusion of freedoms and think fit to advise others on democracy!

      Your alliance is outdated. BRICS will sink you soon enough.

  61. There is NO ONE supporting Hamas but Qatar and Iran. Is that your idea of a democracy? I don’t doubt it. Hamas is finished. They are responsible for the death toll in Gaza. And they won’t get aniwhere in the next election. But there is no next election in their plans. Too bad! Civil war, then.

    • Hamas submitted a very reasonable 10-year truce with Israel, the Hebrew-language daily Maariv reported in July 2014. Israel is simply too tied in to the military industrial complex and the contracts just too profitable to allpw peace.

      The first demand, according to Maariv, is the withdrawal of Israeli military tanks from the border fence area to a distance that enables Gaza farmers to access their fields and tend them freely.

      In addition, Israel must free all Palestinian prisoners detained after the abduction and killing of three Israeli teenagers in the southern West Bank including those who were freed as part of Gilad Shalit prisoner swap. This precondition also includes softening procedures against all prisoners in Israeli custody.

      A third demand stipulates that Israel ends the crippling siege on the coastal enclave, which means reopening all border crossings and allowing the entry of construction materials and all requirements needed to run the Gaza Strip’s power station. 

      The fourth demand stipulates the opening of an international seaport and international airport in the Gaza Strip to be run and monitored by the United Nations. 

      Hamas and Islamic Jihad also demanded that Israel increases the Gaza fishing zone to 10 nautical miles and allows Gaza fishermen to use large fishing ships. 

      Furthermore, the Rafah crossing between Egypt and the Gaza Strip should be monitored by international crews from friendly and Arab countries. 

      Israel must commit to a ceasefire for 10 years which includes closing Gaza airspace to Israeli aircraft, it added. 

      Moreover, Israel must give Gaza residents permission to visit Jerusalem and pray in the al-Aqsa Mosque.

      Another stipulation demands that Israel abstain from any intervention in Palestinian internal affairs including political arrangements and the reconciliation agreement and all its consequences.

      Finally, the Gaza industrial zone must be re-established.

      • Please, get away from your Hamas propaganda handbook. Hamas isn’t even able to respect a humanitarian truce in the interest of its own people.
        Much less a 10-year one or a 20-year one.
        There is no way Israel will cave in to demands of the losers. As you know, the winner of a war dictates the terms.

        Here are the terms for peace:
        – total blockade from see, blockade from Israeli land, for all non-humanitarian goods.
        – no electricity, no water beyond humanitarian needs
        – all goods going through Egypt only
        – disarming and disbanding Hamas and other terrorist groups
        – new elections
        – any rocket attack, tunnel digging will be considered as an aggression

        Satisfied?

      • You heart is made of stone.

      • Since you were replying to yourself…

  62. kezra, I’m actually happy to read your learned opinions. We have a phrase in Hebrew to describe what we call ‘astronauts': “Hu chai b’seret’ – “he’s living in a dream”.

    People who can’t read the road-map and interpret correctly the road-signs, will always end up where they didn’t intend to be.

    I do hope that you represent hamas thinking, and that they think like you.

  63. I think you mean the 3 Oafs, those hamas leader friends of yours, hiding in 5-star hotels in Qatar while their followers are getting diced and sliced by IDF cooks…

  64. … and on the equal assumption that you are an anti-Zionist haredi, you should have known that Rabbi Meir Simcha of Dvinsk declared the 3 oaths no longer valid after the San Remo conference in 1921, which internationally ratified the 1917 Balfour Declaration.

  65. correction – where I above translated “he’s living in a dream”, it should have read “he’s living in a film”.

  66. He quotes Maariv, so he’s probably one of those chicken charedim who haven’t got the guts to serve in the IDF. He doesn’t recognize the State of Israel but he and his family have no problem sucking the state’s benefits into their snouts.

    Hiding under an assumed name on a blog is typical haredi/hamas behaviour.

  67. Anyone can claim in a blog post to be a British girl – can you giggle?

    • She’s as British as the 7/7/05 London transport bombers.

      • Surely it makes a big difference to how acceptable a sub culture or religion is whether the majority behave themselves in a decent manner or not. Or what?? Does it make a difference how peaceful most Americans are or shall we judge them all by the behaviour of the few belligerent politicians who create war and destruction around the globe kill people with drones before any sort of attempt to bring them to trial, and so on and so on.

        It didn’t take a majority of westerners to concoct the most monstrous lie in the history of modern warfare and plan and execute the atrocity of the Iraq war, or it did. Either way there’s enough fear, bigotry, intolerance, lack of respect, hypocrisy, stupidity and selfish greed among westerners to threaten the rest of the world.

        You imply that you’re fine judging the whole Islam community on the basis of the behaviour of one small segment of it, but you’re not prepared to judge your own community by the same yardstick.

        That’s why you’re wrong.

      • No, it matters when the active minority is ultra-violent and the rest does not protest or better act against that violent minority, allowing it to seize power if not voting for them as well.
        That is what happens in Nazi Gaza, that is what happens in most of the violent Middle East.
        The ‘Palestinian’ excuse for Arab violence has now fallen. Israel and ‘Palestinians’ cannot be the excuse for the civil wars in Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Libya and others that will come. Extremism and hate for the other one, whatever other that may be, is the reason of the genocide happening everywhere, except iin Israel of course.
        We are not judging the whole Islam community. It is doing that alone.

      • You completely missed the irony in my writing “Muslim” Murdering Thugs. My apologies I forgot to quotation marks. I forget some people need them in this context.

        This is not about religion. It is about manipulating minds through the media so that self-serving interests may continue. If the words ‘Christian’ and ‘Terrorist’ were put before every act of violence committed by Caucasians across the world REGARDLESS of their beliefs or practices, you would very soon be running scared from them. You are TOLD their nationality and religion. Seldom best you get a video ‘selfie’ expressing this. See all the biblical references I have pasted below? Now match them to crimes committed by Caucasians in the last 24 hours and you have yourself a good long list of ‘terror attacks’ and the HSA system will flash bright blood red, conveniently distracting you from the many contracts that await to be signed. 

        “It more like 10%” (independent reference source?) Lets take your approach and wager on it. How many innocent civilian lives have been lost to Islamic inspired atrocities versus how many have been lost to American inspired militarist interventions, say in the last ten years. It wouldn’t surprise me to discover that Americans have killed many more than Islamisists, or perhaps the numbers would be about equal, but I can’t really be bothered to research it because I don’t think it really proves anything. Our society is built upon the principle that individuals take individual responsibility for their individual actions, and for that principle to have any credence we have judge everyone in the same way. The minute we start to imply that anyone who professes the Islamic faith is evil because 5, 10% per cent of those (I don’t believe the 10%) who profess the faith do radically evil things, then that principle is broken, and we are no better than they.

        The majority of Americans do nothing to prevent their leaders commiting the crimes they commit.

        Saying things like the ‘peaceful majority is irrelevant’ is rhetorical bullshit and demagogic polemicising in the most wildly aggressive and carelessly demonizing fashion. You defecate on any decorum of fair open enquiry, by ignoring the question entirely and proceeding to spout tedious polemic which effectively tells the audience that since some islamicists are murdering terrorists it’s therefore fine to tar the whole Islamic community with the same brush. Who cares about how to contest dark mediæval ideology with enlightened philosophical wisdom. Just bomb the whole lot of them back to the Stone Age whether or not they all take part in terrorism. That’ll teach them.

        But you wouldn’t say that the whole American society is complicit because the American military is guilty of hundreds of atrocities throughout its history.. Oh no.

        It’s worrying that people who are both educated and intelligent are becoming a scarce commodity; such persons could never take your premise seriously.

        I have said enough and will depart now. I bid you ALL Shalom, Salam, Peace.

      • Suppose a man or woman among you.. violated the covenant by serving other gods..then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death.??(Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

        Let the entire community stone him to death..(Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)

        ..Keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. ?Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community.??(Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)

        Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants.? (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

        ..Kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. ?Show no mercy; have no pity!? Kill them all ? old and young, girls and women and little children…Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

        Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword.? Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes.? Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes…The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows.? They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.? (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

        Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.’???(1 Samuel 15:2-3 NAB)

        Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood.?(Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)

      • Yawn! Must be good to have nothing important to do in the whole day!

      • Protests and denouncements from the muslim community follow every atrocity. Muslims condemn other actions done in the name of Islam all the time by stressing how these actions are not reflective of the religion.
        If you cared or could read dailies and websites produced by the muslim community you would see this. These are not just confined to sites in english but arabic, urdu, bahasa, russian to name just a few. If you stay in your own bigoted bubble and expect that the western media is completely unbiased then that is all you will know. Muslim reaction to these events is only palatable for the western media if it incites and inflames. The peaceful majority again are cast aside for the pitchfork wielding minority. Don’t cast your aspersions on a billion people because you cannot be bothered to read outside of your comfort zone.

        Logic and deductive reasoning isnt your strong point. I am not wasting any more time here. Shalom. Salam. Peace.

      • Every atrocity committed by Muslims was followed by sweets’ distribution in the streets. Especially in Gaza. Want videos? I got them.

      • You are not wasting your time here. You are wasting ours. We are not in error and support of terror. You are.

      • kezra,

        The latest WikiLeaks revelation: 1 in 3 British Muslim students back killing for Islam and 40% want Sharia law

        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340599/WikiLeaks-1-3-British-Muslim-students-killing-Islam-40-want-Sharia-law.html

        33% is a minority. A worrying minority. How many British Muslims committed the 7/7/05 London transport bombings?

      • Hey, that’s only British Muslims. You can imagine that they are a larger minority or a majority in Muslim(-only, ethnically cleansed, Judenrein) countries.

      • kezra said on August 5, 2014 at 11:12 am:

        “Protests and denouncements from the muslim community follow every atrocity. Muslims condemn other actions done in the name of Islam all the time by stressing how these actions are not reflective of the religion.
        If you cared or could read dailies and websites produced by the muslim community you would see this. ”

        Present some links to support your claim.

        Any Youtube videos of marches where Arabs/Muslims condemn atrocities committed by Arab/Muslim terrorists? There should be roughly as many videos as there are Arab/Muslim terrorist attacks. That means A LOT.of videos.

      • And you can imagine the size of the demos about 150,000 INNOCENT Muslims getting killed as compared to 750 unwanted Muslim casualties in a war caused by a Muslim aggression on the Jewish State.
        Should be 200 times the size, as they like “proportionality”!

      • “Proportionality” was established in the prisoner exchange of

        One Israeli soldier – Gilad Shalit

        for 1,027 palestinians/activists/blood on their hands “militants”..

        That trade established the relative value of both.

    • Edward – you seem to have forgotten to take your anger medication.

      Adrian – I’m happy to post a pic of me at the demo, I can pose however you want so you know its me :) within reason ;)

      • Anger medication? Tell it to the murderers of Lee Rigb and the British Muslim terrorists who bombed London transport on 7/7/05.

        The Religion of Peace has an image problem.

      • Here’s kezra at an earlier demo.

      • I think they are a little past needing anger meds Edward. More like a full frontal lobotomy.

        You guys are funny. That last one was a funny post Edward. Shame you’re such A-holes in your inconsistent logic towards humanity. You come off sounding no better than those murdering muslim thugs sometimes.

      • Remember that Muslim murdering thugs are most usually Muslims.

      • I want you to be consistent in the way that you apply your logic.

        Here’s how it works. If you’re mathematical you may think of it as a matrix. One the one side you have the Islamic community as one whole thing. As a subset of that whole you have the faction of Islam which is militant and which murders and destroys in the name of their holy things. How big or small a percentage this faction is, is a separate issue which you might want to discuss at your leisure with someone else but it doesn’t interest me. On the other side you have the American community as one whole thing and a subset of that whole called the American military. However big or small a percentage this subset represents when it comes to firepower it is several million times stronger than the Islamic subset. There can’t be any doubt about that.
         
        Now – I draw a parallel, between the American society, and the Islamic community. It’s no use bellyaching about that and saying you can’t do this you can’t do that – I’m doing it, there are no rules. I’m comparing one group of people with another group of people who – sure – have different ways of defining themselves but in the end they’re basically two groups of people. And they each have a subset, the function of whch in both cases, is the use of arms. Again we can quibble all night about what right these respective subsets have to bear and use arms and the different ways and means by which they employ their weapons, but that is also a separate discussion. The fact of the matter is that both these subsets of the two aforementioned entities, have at different points of time been guilty of atrocities which their possession of weapons has enabled them to commit.

        Again which of the two subsets has committed the most atrocities is, for the purpose of this discussion ,(which is about how to correctly apply logic) irrelevant. When it comes to comparing the two entities and their respective subsets, you can if you wish proclaim the whole Islamic community morally bankrupt, evil, bad, a dungheap whatever you think fits, alone on the basis of the observations you have concerning the atrocious behaviour of the aforementioned subset of militant terrorism. You may find it completely unnecessary to know more about the rest of the Islamic community who are not a part of that subset, to draw your conclusion.

        Then (if you want to be logical) you have to judge the American society in just the same way. You have to judge the whole American society solely by behaviour of its military subset. And be completely unconcerned by whatever virtues you think might be harboured by the rest of American society which has nothing to do with the military subset. If the military has committed atrocities then that’s it. America’s a pile of shit not a whit better than the Islamic community.

        That is not at all my recommendation. It’s a foolish stupid and lazy way of thinking to my mind, and I would heartily recommend an approach which doesn’t judge a whole by just one of its parts, but instead takes a balanced and nuanced viewpoint, to try to bring the focus to rest on the good and wholesome things which each entity can contain.

        But whichever approach you favour I do urge you to apply it in a logical and unbiased way, so that I and others can take your arguments seriously. 

      • Percentage of violent Muslims is not a “separate issue” but the whole issue. If if was the fraction of 1% it is among non-Muslims, everything would be fine. The problem is that it is about 10%, that is 50 times at least as much as other communities in the world. That’s the root of all problem.
        So don’t try to sweep it under the carpet.
        Considering the number of Muslims in the world, it means that 120M potential terrorists are on the loose. Comparatively, you can ignore the rest of them and focus on eliminating Muslim terrorism.
        Comparison with the military is totally and utterly irrelevant, except if you mean Muslim military, who are no better than the average population and behave as thugs as well.
        Where are you from? Egypt, Iran or Pakistan?

      • Yes, your heroic islamfascists are a bit over the top.

        Flailing arms, bulging neck veins, open mouths… they look like a Islamist Pez Dispenser.

      • kezra, It’s worse than you can image in Londonistan.

        Open threats of 9/11 scale massacres in the UK and Eurabia.

        The chances of Britain existing in 10 years are falling.

      • Forced to look at your racist anger is something we would like to be spared. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a chapter on Geneva Conventions for that.

      • Surely it makes a big difference to how acceptable a sub culture or religion is whether the majority behave themselves in a decent manner or not. Or what?? Does it make a difference how peaceful most Americans are or shall we judge them all by the behaviour of the few belligerent politicians who create war and destruction around the globe kill people with drones before any sort of attempt to bring them to trial, and so on and so on.

        It didn’t take a majority of westerners to concoct the most monstrous lie in the history of modern warfare and plan and execute the atrocity of the Iraq war, or it did. Either way there’s enough fear, bigotry, intolerance, lack of respect, hypocrisy, stupidity and selfish greed among westerners to threaten the rest of the world.

        You imply that you’re fine judging the whole Islam community on the basis of the behaviour of one small segment of it, but you’re not prepared to judge your own community by the same yardstick.

        That’s why you’re wrong.

      • No, it doesn’t matter how the majority behaves if that behavior has no influence on the active ultra-violent minority. Gaza is a textbook case for Nazism, so we are given the opportunity to see what it has worked in the 1930s, using the same racism and intimidation to shut up dissent.
        US commit crimes? Really? Which ones? Any that could compare to the crimes committed by Bin Laden’s followers?
        Racists always try to put their victims on the same levels as their masters…

      • And 10% isn’t a small segment of the Muslim population, when they hold such extremist beliefs, considering a small fraction of 1% holds them in Western democracies.
        10% of Muslims represent 120M potential terrorists, ie 90% of the whole thing easily. We could say terrorism is an islamist thing without making an undue generalisation. Of coourse, 10% is a very conservative figure. I believe it is closer to 25%-30%. Considering about 80% antisemitism in the Muslim world, I still could be optimistic.

      • You completely missed the irony in my writing “Muslim” Murdering Thugs. My apologies I forgot to quotation marks. I forget some people need them in this context.

        This is not about religion. It is about manipulating minds through the media so that self-serving interests may continue. If the words ‘Christian’ and ‘Terrorist’ were put before every act of violence committed by Caucasians across the world REGARDLESS of their beliefs or practices, you would very soon be running scared from them. You are TOLD their nationality and religion. Seldom best you get a video ‘selfie’ expressing this. See all the biblical references I have pasted below? Now match them to crimes committed by Caucasians in the last 24 hours and you have yourself a good long list of ‘terror attacks’ and the HSA system will flash bright blood red, conveniently distracting you from the many contracts that await to be signed. 

        “It more like 10%” (independent reference source?) Lets take your approach and wager on it. How many innocent civilian lives have been lost to Islamic inspired atrocities versus how many have been lost to American inspired militarist interventions, say in the last ten years. It wouldn’t surprise me to discover that Americans have killed many more than Islamisists, or perhaps the numbers would be about equal, but I can’t really be bothered to research it because I don’t think it really proves anything. Our society is built upon the principle that individuals take individual responsibility for their individual actions, and for that principle to have any credence we have judge everyone in the same way. The minute we start to imply that anyone who professes the Islamic faith is evil because 5, 10% per cent of those (I don’t believe the 10%) who profess the faith do radically evil things, then that principle is broken, and we are no better than they.

        The majority of Americans do nothing to prevent their leaders commiting the crimes they commit.

        Saying things like the ‘peaceful majority is irrelevant’ is rhetorical bullshit and demagogic polemicising in the most wildly aggressive and carelessly demonizing fashion. You defecate on any decorum of fair open enquiry, by ignoring the question entirely and proceeding to spout tedious polemic which effectively tells the audience that since some islamicists are murdering terrorists it’s therefore fine to tar the whole Islamic community with the same brush. Who cares about how to contest dark mediæval ideology with enlightened philosophical wisdom. Just bomb the whole lot of them back to the Stone Age whether or not they all take part in terrorism. That’ll teach them.

        But you wouldn’t say that the whole American society is complicit because the American military is guilty of hundreds of atrocities throughout its history.. Oh no.

        It’s worrying that people who are both educated and intelligent are becoming a scarce commodity; such persons could never take your premise seriously.

        I have said enough and will depart now. I bid you ALL Shalom, Salam, Peace.

      • I guess you would count Nazi-killing and Japanese-killing by American as “atrocities” committed by Americans but people with some morals don’t. Nazis were guilty and so mere Germans for not revolting against their leaders. Japanese military regime murderers had to be stopped and they were. Etc.
        Approval of terrorist actions in the Muslim world is over 25% (plenty of confirmations out there, including Pew Research polls). People who justify terrorism are potentially terrorists themselves. You are another example with your hypocritical support of terrorism that manifests by denying the right of Israel to slef-defence. So you are part of those extremists but are counted in the 75% that are not. Hence 25% is avowed supporters of terrorism, and thus an optimistic figure.

      • Suppose a man or woman among you.. violated the covenant by serving other gods..then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death.??(Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

        Let the entire community stone him to death..(Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)

        ..Keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. ?Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community.??(Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)

        Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants.? (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

        ..Kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. ?Show no mercy; have no pity!? Kill them all ? old and young, girls and women and little children…Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

        Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword.? Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes.? Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes…The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows.? They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.? (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

        Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.’???(1 Samuel 15:2-3 NAB)

        Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood.?(Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)

      • Examples from the Jewish faith. Bad example! You see, contrary to Quran, Jewish Holy books are subject to discussion, interpretation. Quran is the word of God. PERIOD!
        Islam has remained medieval for that reason and few can allow a modernised view of the religion.
        Judaism is totally different, so is Christianity (except for “Pope’s infaillibility” dogma in Catholicism), that it allows critical review and interpretation with the knowledge and human ethics of the time.
        So you can take back all your ridiculous antisemitic propaganda. It just doesn’ apply to judaism.

  68. kezra,

    Did Sadaam Hussein ever have or use WMDs????

  69. This is not racism..? This is self-defense?
    Terrifying Video Shows Israeli Ambulance Attack That Killed Palestinian Journalist Rami Rayan

    http://www.scriptonitedaily.com/2014/07/31/terrifying-video-shows-israeli-ambulance-attack-that-killed-palestinian-journalist-rami-rayan/

    And I quote from the link..
    ‘Death to All Arabs’
    ‘Hating Arabs is Not Racism, It’s Moral Values’
    ‘I wish everyday would have such good news, I don’t care if it is a boy or a pregnant woman’ (Re the death of the Palestinian boy Mohammed Khadir)

    This is democracy..?
    “Concentrate” and “exterminate”: Israel parliament deputy speaker’s Gaza genocide plan

    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/concentrate-and-exterminate-israel-parliament-deputy-speakers-gaza-genocide-plan

    And these children were killed by the home-made bombs of Hamas?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/brian-eno-on-the-israelgaza-crisis-how-can-you-justify-images-such-as-this-9643916.html

    You condemn others but cannot fathom the hatred in your own hearts.

    • You should take your medication, kezra. That’s bullshit you’re repeating.
      You’re quoting stupidities you read in blogs? And you believe anyone will take you seriously?
      Hamas shoot rockets from civilian zones and you blame Israel when civilians get killed? Are you for real?
      So let’s repeat it again. Israel made all possible effort to avoid civilian casualties despite your darling Hamas trying to maximize them. Considering the results, it seems that Israel did quite a good job with 50% Hamas casualties.
      You are trying to demonise Israel, that is just antisemitism and you know that you have to take your anti-racist pills.
      Your attempt to use a letter written in the Lancet is ludicrous again. The Lancet is known to have spread antisemitic propaganda for well over 10 years.

  70. Open letter from doctors and scientists on what Israel is doing to Gaza
    The Lancet 30 July 2014

    Israel’s “defensive aggression” of unlimited duration, extent, and intensity must be stopped now, say doctors and scientists.

    http://stopwar.org.uk/news/open-letter-from-doctors-and-scientists-stop-the-gaza-massacre-now#.U-FS5GK9KSN

    The humanity…

    • When doctors and scientists sign such shameful letter, they are called racist activists.

    • Iain Chalmers and Mad Gilberts have been both noted for their antisemitism.
      Here is a better article from a more serious person:

      http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/15402#.U-FoY_l_tvA

      • http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8

        Your cries of ‘antisemitism’ will not wash much longer. The irony, the Arabs are Semites too. Gary is correct, you have lost the war of misinformation, and no matter how many hasbara trolls you pull out of the hat you cannot appeal to true humanity. You are more than welcome to the raving idiots like Edward that suck up all sensationalist stories and abandon all sense of logic. But Israel cannot turn peace and humanity into a dichotomy for the rest of us.

        R.I.P Sahir Salman Abu Namous, aged 4 http://www.boycottisrael.org.uk/4-year-old-sahar-salman-abu-namous-with-half-his-head-blown-away-by-an-israeli-shell/

        And the countless others that have perished and those under the rubble of your destruction that are yet to be laid to rest.

        Now FUCK OFF you heartless twats.

      • Poor kezra, don’t forget your meds and once you got them, open a dictionary (or search Google) for a definition of the word “antisemitism”.
        Your rants about Israel and the moral inversion and depravity of blaming the conflict on the evident aggressor will make you the same kind of monster as your beloved Hamas.
        Here is a direct quote of the “humanitarian” Mads Gilbert (aka “Mad” for close friends):

        Days after the atrocity, in an interview for the Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet Gilbert said “The attack on New York did not come as a surprise after the policy that the West has led during the last decades…The oppressed also have a moral right to attack the USA with any weapon they can come up with.” When asked directly in the same interview, “Do you support a terror attack against the USA?,” Gilbert replied, “Terror is a bad weapon but the answer is yes within the context which I have mentioned.”Days after the atrocity, in an interview for the Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet Gilbert said “The attack on New York did not come as a surprise after the policy that the West has led during the last decades…The oppressed also have a moral right to attack the USA with any weapon they can come up with.” When asked directly in the same interview, “Do you support a terror attack against the USA?,” Gilbert replied, “Terror is a bad weapon but the answer is yes within the context which I have mentioned.”

        The most “humanitarian” guy you can think of, I guess, justifying the death of 3000 innocents in the most terrible way.

      • Having a heart usually doesn’t mean supporting terrorist organisations and vomitting their propaganda over people who know better.

      • And here is the proof of how Hamas takes care of the population of Gaza by making them a military self-defense target. Note how the whole process is carefully executed, in view and knowledge of all innocent civilians around:

      • kezra,

        I lost any compassion for your savage islamofascists on 9/11/01.

        Now take your own advice and “F” Off you fascist tosser, wanker, yob…

        And Happy Eternal Nakba!

  71. Here’ s a very good 22 minute explanation of the hamas-Gaza problem, from the Arutz 7 English channel (see the film titled “The Watchman”):

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/183775#.U-IauPlxWqc

  72. War on Want is not a charity.
    And Unison is no longer a trade union.

  73. “The irony, the Arabs are Semites too” – ah, that old crap again.

    • Not only are Arabs Semites, they are murderous anti-Semites too.

      See Syria where Arab Semites have killed 160,000+ fellow Arab Semites.

  74. The Lancet has form on antisemitism.

  75. “Already the World Bank and the IMF are shaking.” – LOL. Delusional.

    “Iran, Afghanistan, Lebanon,Libya, Sudan, Syria, Iraq, Pakistan, blah-blah” – all countries at war with each other restrict entry, moron.