St James’s Church, Piccadilly, installs life size replica of Israel’s security wall during 12 days of Christmas.

The life size replica wall at St James's Church, Piccadilly for Bethlehem Unwrapped.

The life size replica wall at St James’s Church, Piccadilly for Bethlehem Unwrapped.

St James’s Church, Piccadilly, in London’s West End has installed a life size 8 metre tall/30 metre long replica of Israel’s security wall in its courtyard as part of its Bethlehem Unwrapped festival. The replica wall is so vast that it obscures the Church itself.

The replica wall will be lit up at night and for the next twelve days of Christmas (until 5th January) a montage of images and slogans will be continuously projected onto it. Scenes include parts of London with a wall passing through it.

What you won’t see projected onto the replica wall are scenes of bombed out Israeli buses, hotels, pizza restaurants, bars and nightclubs that were ubiquitous in Israel before the wall.

Bethlehem Unwrapped has evening events with anti-Israel polemicists including comedians Jeremy Hardy and Ivor Dembina, musician Nigel Kennedy, columnists Yasmin Alibhai-Brown and Mark Steel, Jeff Halper of Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions and War On Want’s in-house poet Rafeef Ziadah.

Maybe Ivor Dembina will reprise his notorious Holocaust “joke” in which he mocks the Jewish people for wanting to hog the Auschwitz limelight. According to Dembina Jews don’t really want others to know that gays, gypsies and the disabled were also murdered at Auschwitz because we like to see it as “Ourschwitz, not Yourschwitz”.

Had someone made a joke about, for example, Srebrenica they would rightly be excluded but Dembina, host of the Hampstead Comedy Club, is one of the star turns at Bethlehem Unwrapped.

Or maybe poet Rafeef Ziadah will reprise her praising of Islamic Jihad chief Khader Adnan. Adnan, you may recall, is keen to incite Palestinians to become suicide bombers and blow up innocent Israeli children.

Unbelievably, into this political hatefest have stepped the supposedly “non-political” chefs Yotam Ottolenghi and Sami Tamimi. They will be hosting the “Bethlehem Feast” at the church on Friday January 3rd.

Last night’s unveiling of the replica wall was introduced by St James’s Church Rector Lucy Winkett.

Rector Winkett said the reason behind the replica wall was that when 20 of them visited Israel and the Palestinian territories in October “one of the lasting memories of our time there was this wall” (see clip).

It is a shame Rector Winkett didn’t also visit the graves of Israeli children murdered by Palestinian suicide bombers or Israelis left disabled by them.

The microphone was then handed to Jeff Halper of Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions who left those who made it to the church despite the dreadful weather conditions in no doubt as to what the next twelves days of Bethlehem Unwrapped had in store. Halper has previously expressed his wish to boycott Israel out of existence.

Last night Halper described Israel’s security wall as a “very deadly barrier that people cannot pass” and said “this wall is not built for security…it doesn’t protect Israelis in any way”. He continued “the wall defines the borders of the Israeli bantustan that is being created for Palestinians in an apartheid state…it defines those cantons in which Palestinians will be confined” (see clip below).

I understand that there are due to be a couple of last minute voices putting Israel’s case at the panel debate with Halper “Both sides of the Barrier: Separation or Security?” on January 4th but it is a drop in the ocean when compared to what is taking place over the entirety of the festival.

During the festival members of the public are being invited write on the wall. The address of St James’s Church is 197 Piccadilly. It’s very close to Piccadilly Circus tube station. Feel free to head away from the sales for a few minutes to balance out the hate and the lies. But take a good pen with you.

This replica wall has possibly cost thousands of pounds. There have been designers, architects, curators, materials, scaffolding and a team of builders. With mouths to feed and people freezing to death in this country alone it is shameful that St James’s Church, Piccadilly, has squandered so much on what is nothing more than an anti-Israel propaganda exercise.

Other Photos from last night:

St James's Rector Lucy Winkett and replica wall curator Justin Butcher singing "oh Little Town of Bethlehem" last night.

St James’s Rector Lucy Winkett and replica wall curator Justin Butcher singing “oh Little Town of Bethlehem” last night.

Justin Butcher with the replica wall's architect and its designer last night.

Justin Butcher with the replica wall’s architect and its designer last night.

Some of the projections on to replica wall until January 5th 2014:

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305 responses to “St James’s Church, Piccadilly, installs life size replica of Israel’s security wall during 12 days of Christmas.

  1. I’m sure this will be just the beginning of a horrendous year as the UN embarks on its year of Solidarity with the Palestinians

    Best regards

    Loretta

    Sent from my iPad

    • After 70 years of Palestinian holocaust, apartheid and ethnic cleansing, it’s time the international community woke up to the reality of what’s going on.

      Here’s the Palestinian churches appeal http://www.kairospalestine.ps/

      • Your so called “palestinians” are modern day nazis. They even do nazi salutes.

        Google Images “arab nazi salutes”.

      • Edward, Palestinians had NOTHING to do with the Nazi’s Nazi’s were in Europe which has NOTHING to do with Palestine or the Palestinians.

        TODAY, the only people behaving as Nazis are the IDF, there’s NO shortage of what they’re doing to their trapped, defenseless victims, whether bombing and flooding Gaza, to dawn raids and torture, Israel already Charged with genocide and crime against humanity http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-charged-with-war-crimes-and-genocide-complete-judgment-of-kl-tribunal/5359433

      • Carol, your drivel is a collection of antisemitic clichés DerSturmer.com would be ashamed to publish.
        No need to refute them as they are not even grounded in reality.

      • Taqiyya Carol said:

        “Edward, Palestinians had NOTHING to do with the Nazi’s Nazi’s were in Europe which has NOTHING to do with Palestine or the Palestinians.”

        Really? How do you explain this?

        1941 The Grand Mufti meets Hitler

        In case you fear watching a youtube that refutes your lies, it’s a 30 second film of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem meeting his fellow nazi, the national SOCIALIST hitler.

        You get extra points for Google Images “arab nazi salute”!

        Happy Eternal Nakba!

      • Edward, Israel has more in common with the Nazis than any other place on this planet, that said this article has NOTHING to do with the Nazi’s and ONLY to do with the wall outside St James’s church.

        This wall is outside a church in London, Christians supporting Christians of Bethlehem, absolutely NOTHING to do with you what we Christians decide to support or NOT to support.

      • By posting your anitisemitic drivel online, you excluded yourself from the Christian conmunity. You belong to a fringe of self-righteous genocidal haters.

      • Come on Carol.

        How do you explain the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem meeting with SOCIALIST hitler? Watch the video seated – you might get dizzy seeing your cherished bigoted views smashed.

        How do you explain Arabs doing nazi salutes?
        Google Images “arab nazi salute”

        How do you explain the fact that SOCIALIST hitlers “mein kampf”, translated into Arabic is a Best Seller?

        How do you explain the fact that Syria was a safe haven for nazi alois brunner?

        How do you explain that churches in Nigeria, Pakistan are bombed by Islamists?

      • Jose dear, surely by now you’re old enough to know that Palestinians are the Semites while more than 70% of the Jewish population are not (Ashkanizi Jews) are Kazars and NOT Semites.

        It’s anti Semitic for us to turn our backs on the suffering of the Palestinians.

        As for me being excluded from the Christian community, IN YOUR DREAMS, Jesus Christ was born in Palestine were Christianity started, Palestinian Christians are Jesus’s people who kept Christianity the last 2000 years http://www.thestonescryoutmovie.com/

        Ann is right to say if Mary and Joseph were today to go from Nazereth to Bethlehem, they’ll have to go through 11 of these walls, she’ll probably give birth on one of them, Mary or Jesus wouldn’t make it as Palestinians are actually dying giving birth on checkpoints.

      • Dear Carol, I suggest you open a dictionary to get the meaning of the term “antisemite” and stop ridiculing yourself here by mistakingly applying it to Arabso
        Then try to grasp that the legend of.the Khazar was just that and that genetics have totally discredited it as a FACT. Genetics wasn’t needed to discard that stupid hypothesis, but considering the number of idiots who believe all the crap they’re fed, as you are, it is even better this way.
        Thanks for your lack of attention.

      • Jesus, Myrian and Joseph being Jews, they would have been killed on their way to Betlehem. They were sent them by other occupiers, the Romans. They didn’t want to go there in the first place. Today, Betlehem has been ‘ethnically’ cleansed of its Christian Arabs by their ethnical cousins, the Muslim Arabs. No doubt Stormfront Carol supports that.

      • Jose dear, I cannot possibly reprogram the years of brain washing that you’ve underwent, nor do I ever try, it’s a lost cause, however to correct your misinformation about Bethlehem, here’s Jerusalem churches own appeal to the International community about who’re ethnically cleansing who. http://www.kairospalestine.ps/sites/default/Documents/English.pdf

        As for who Semites are, viola, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_people

      • Carol, your brainwashing is too deep to be changed. Ethnic cleansing happens when a population is declining, like Jews in every single Muslim country, Christians in the Arab world.
        Take your racist propaganda where it can be swallowed.

      • Maybe Edward [who appears to be an expert on all things] can explain to us why the Stern gang attempted to collaborate with the Nazis.

        And just as an added fact. The Palestinians never voted the Grand Mufti into office but Israelis did vote into office a wannabe Nazi collaborator.

        Discuss, Edward.

      • richardmillett

        The Stern Gang were a disaster and their politics were all over the place including Bolshevism. It was all done in the cause of getting Jews to Palestine. They were a group of only 300 or so and totally rejected by the Jewish community there at the time. They were informed upon and as you know Stern was summarily executed by the British. Shamir wasn’t a Nazi. But the Mufti went on to help raise a fighting force for the Nazis. He was recognised as an Arab leader at the time. You cannot really compare the two.

      • Indeed Richard, also, what we can’t compare is lumping all Palestinians with the odious motives of the Grand Mufti. The other fact that should be noted is that the Grand Mufti recruited mostly, if not exclusively, Bosnian Muslims to fight for the Nazis. Therefore Edward’s rant is historically inaccurate.

        Btw, Shamir [i’m impressed you knew who i was referring to] was one of the wannabe collaborators, maybe not a Nazi, but a wannabe collaborator none the less.

      • LOL! Mufti was a representant of “Palestinians” but he had to flee the Mandate because the British were after him. He sought refuge to his friend Hitler. Of course, impossible for him to enlist “Palestinians” so Hitler gave him some Bosnians to play with.
        And your reptilians?

      • Your delusions are gettign worse Armchair! Getting off your meds wasn’t such a good idea, after all.
        “Palestinians” did not hide their Nazi sympathies and do not hide them today.
        And these reptilian aliens?

      • Christiansfor Zionwatch, Edward and Jose have moved to disrupt the next page security watch cost £30k, they’re NOT even in this country, they just manipulate the media around here, you can see that from one of their juvenile responses.

      • Stormfront Carol, you are hardly understandable but I guess you are having a tantrum like a little girl who is contradicted. Straightjacket is expecting you. Don’t delay!

      • christiansforislamofascismwatch,

        First, you are as much of a “Christian” as adolf hitler, goebbels, goring or david irving.

        Once more, for thick and dense people like yourself, here is a nazi propaganda film from 1941 of YOUR Grand Mufti of Jerusalem hob nobbing with YOUR fellow “christian” adolf hitler.

        1941 The Grand Mufti meets Hitler

        Can you show us film of “zionists” meeting your adolf hitler?

        To claim that hitlers Grand Mufti was only campaigning for nazi Muslims in Bosnia is beyond laughable.

      • Elke Coblens

        I copied this letter as it expresses my feelings better than my own words.
        CHECK OUT THE FACTS
        What a mean-spirited, one-sided and divisive stunt you chose to politicise your church with this Christmas.

        In an ideal world there would also be no suicide bombers – radical Islamist Palestinians who hate the Jews that live close to them so much that they are willing to indiscriminately kill them and others – be it in a shopping centre, disco, pizza restaurant or if they are sitting at their Passover Seder.

        Be in no doubt that Israel built a security barrier only after enduring a wave of horrific terrorism that left thousands dead and maimed for life.

        Your completely partial representation of the situation negates their loss of life and shows gross insensitivity to their families – and by extension to all Israelis and the Jewish community in the UK, none of whom were untouched by these murders.

        Hadas Fogel, three months old, was killed by terrorists on March 11, 2011. The terrorists confessed that they left the Fogel home after murdering Hadas’ parents and two sleeping brothers but returned to murder Hadas when they heard her start crying.

        Be in no doubt also that the only reason that this vicious terrorism has died down is not because the extremists stopped trying, but because they are prevented to get to their intended victims.

        That includes, by the way, me and my children.

        We are Brits who moved to Israel. We are only safe because we have security on our buses (an attempted bombing took place last week), our schools and public places.

        London saw this kind of suffering on 7/7; similar attacks were occurring in Israel’s streets daily until the security barrier was built.

        Sure, it causes inconvenience and Palestinians hate it, but which is worse: inconvenience or death?

        Because that – plainly – is the choice.

        The Bible I read says clearly: “Choose Life”.

        The radicals, who abide by a charter that openly calls for the destruction of Israel and death to Jews, will not give up.

        And if the terrorism does stop, the barrier can be dismantled; but people cannot be brought back to life.

        Ask yourself this: if you lived in Israel and you knew that mere miles away from you there were people who wanted to blow up your family, or slaughter them in their beds as with the Fogel Family massacre – what would YOU do? As peace-loving as you or I may be, if you are honest you would consider that to protect your family, you would want your government to build a wall. And if they didn’t you might want to build one yourself.

        I desperately want peace. I need peace, because I live here in Israel.

        Therefore I educate my kids to want and pursue peace.

        I wish that Palestinian children – who watch anti-Jewish rhetoric daily on Palestinian Authority-controlled TV – will be taught the same. Those children deserve more than the leadership they have and the terrorists and Islamists that are in their midst.

        Hussam Abdo, a 16-year-old with mental disabilities, was armed with a suicide belt when the IDF stopped him at the Huwara checkpoint on March 24, 2004. Hussam reported that he had been recruited by Fatah’s al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades, which paid him 100 NIS (shekels) and promised him that he would have 72 virgins after he completed the bombing.

        You should ask yourself: Is this act that we are promoting fair, honest? Does it represent the truth of the situation?

        Can it really be that Israel – Israel alone, a tiny country – the world’s only Jewish country, surrounded by hostile countries – is to blame – solely, completely?

        And most importantly – ask yourselves: Is this radical thing that we have chosen to do a step towards peace? Will it bring people together and pave the way for a more peaceful future? Or is it stunningly divisive at best and horribly offensive at worst? You know my view and I believe your act to be – as much as anything else – deeply unChristian.

        Your staff may wish to read this interesting blog, which highlights just where you went wrong this Christmas.

        You can read an informational flyer from StandWithUs on the security barrier here.

        Here is a brochure with faces of the children whose lives were snuffed out by Palestinian terrorists.

        Those who were murdered by terrorism before the security barrier was built cannot cry out.

        So I hope in some small way to be their voice.

        And I hope that those among you who regret this uncompassionate, one-sided, divisive act at Christmas taking place at St. James Church, will speak out too.

        I hope you had a very Merry Christmas, Elke Coblens

      • Thank you Elke for setting forth real facts from Israel

    • There are too many facts that exists that contradict all the Zionist propaganda that clearly occupies your minds. If you want a wall then build it along the Green line or on Israel’s side of it. The Green line is approx. 310km, the Wall, on completion will be more than 700km with about 85% of it on West Bank land! Do the maths! It is a land grab pure and simple, it’s path cuts deep into the West Bank to ensure 80 of the most sizeable and significant colonies (“settlements” to those that want to pretend), which are also ILLEGAL btw, will end up on the west side of the wall. I could go on and on…..You either want peace and a solution, in which case you should not fear the truth and a proper healthy debate and exchange of views and feelings can happen, or you don’t. If you don’t, well then, I feel nothing but pity for you. Won’t be revisiting this site….so don’t worry, you can keep on gobbling up the propaganda, or be the brave and enlightened few who step away from the Zionist bull they have been fed and take a look at the full narrative. That would not make anyone of you any less of a good Jew or a good Israeli or a good human being. On the contrary, that is the best thing you could do for the people of Israel and for the Jews of the work. Open your minds to actually see and understand everything. That is how peace is achieved. Sadly, that may not be what you want….

      • Obviously, you did not major in Mathematics. Your argument on the length of the “wall” is just an idiocy. By the way, it is mostly a fence. Whenever it becomes a wall, it is to protect Israeli civilians, after they have been shot at or suicide-bombed from adjacent “Palestinian” settlements.
        Pack the racist propaganda that makes you feel Jews cannot live in “Palestine” and settle Stormfront forum.

  2. It’s important to remember the architects of this mock wall were silent when Palestinian psychopaths were busy exploding themselves in Israels cities while murdering and maiming thousands of innocent Israeli citizens in the process . No St James church theatre , no condemnation , facebook walls or boycotts . Just silence . This initiative is not so much about Palestinian human rights as it is the sheer frustration of seeing The Palestinian Intifada stopped in its tracks meaning no more bombed out buses and restaurants and families able to celebrate Seder without the fear of a maniac murdering them at the Seder Table .
    As the Rector presiding over this abomination and enemy of the truth might say ‘ Forgive them Lord for they know not what they do ‘ .

    Only the fact is they do know . Shame on St James and shame on the church to have allowed this politicised farce to take place on church property .

    • What about when Israel bombed Gaza before each and every single election killing and maiming thousands of trapped, defenseless Palestinians.

      Today Gaza is in the DARK thanks to the Israeli siege, with no medicine, no fuel, flooded by sewers.

      • BS.

        100,000+ Arabs have died in the Syrian Civil War. 1,000+ Arabs have died due to Arab use of POISON GAS (that’s a WMD).

        What is “progressive” about siding with regressive islamofascists?

      • Carol – What fantasy world do you live in? Do you just make things up and decide to present them as though they were facts? Your stories about Israeli bombings, as if they were done for any reason other than pure self defense and retaliation against arab atrocities, would be comical if it weren’t so dangerous and damaging.

      • Here is a response to the St James Church “Wall,” written by Kay Wilson, who two years ago was brutally stabbed by palestinians in an attack that killed her friend, Kristine Luken.

        Kay Wilson and the parents of murdered Kristine planting a tree at the murder site – Photo Credit: Kay Wilson
        Kay Wilson and the parents of murdered Kristine planting a tree at the murder site – Photo Credit: Kay Wilson

        An open letter from Kay Wilson to St James Church, Piccadilly, England

        A true story…..

        “And it came to pass that in December 2010, two Palestinian shepherds left their little town near Bethlehem and set out to walk ten miles across the Judean Hills. There in the forest, they kept watch by night. The following day, at about the 6th hour (3pm) the shepherds saw two women walking along the Israel National Trail. With great fervour they took out their knives and attacked the women.

        While shepherds held the girls that day and pinned them to the ground, their serrated blades glinted in the sun, shining all around. With knives to their throats, the women dare not move.
        ‘Fear not,’ said the men – for mighty dread had seized the women’s troubled minds – ‘we bring you good news that will cause great joy for our people.’ What could these glad tidings be? Rape, a robbery, a beating? Anything was better than death the women pondered in their hearts.

        And it came to pass that near the seventh hour, the shepherds said, ‘behold’, let us go forth and kill these Jews like Allah has told us to do.’

        The shepherds gagged the women, removed their shoes and bound their hands. They forced one woman to her knees, covered her head and pushed her neck forward. The woman knelt, and prepared herself to be beheaded. Suddenly she saw a great light – the blade of his knife glinting in the sun. The Jewish woman whispered, ‘Hear Oh Israel.’ The Islamic host cried, ‘Allah HuAkbar,’ and the Christian screamed “Jesus,” the name of a Jew born in David’s town.

        Thirteen times the shepherds thrust their knives into the women, breaking bones, tearing flesh, even impaling one to the ground. As the Jew played dead, she watched the Christian friend hacked to death before her very eyes.

        The shepherds returned home glorifying and praising Allah for all that they had seen and spread the word concerning what had they had done. ‘Today near the town of David two Jews have been slaughtered,’ they declared. They plotted and schemed, boasting to their neighbours, ‘this will be a sign, they will find two of their own, all meanly wrapped in bloody clothes and in the bushes laid.’ And everyone who heard of it, was amazed.”

        I have given much thought to the events of that terrible day, that culminated in my near murder and the execution of my friend. I believe that I of all people could be forgiven for hating Palestinians. I believe too that I could be forgiven for thinking all Palestinians are terrorists. I do not. On the contrary I have maintained relationships with my Palestinian friends, so that my ignorance will not give me reason to hate. I hate hatred. It is your hatred, in the form of a Christmas stunt, that has compelled me to write.

        I would like to think that as Christians, you would never condone Kristine Luken’s heinous murder or the attack on myself. I suspect however that you may rationalise this savagery as an inevitable result of the “Israeli occupation.”

        You would probably suggest that the Palestinians who murdered my friend were themselves victims who grew up in depravity. I would concur but would point out that if poverty was the case, the aristocrats who flew into the twin towers had no reason to commit their crimes.

        The Palestinian terrorists were indeed victims, victims of a radical and primitive Islamic regime that force feeds them a morally malnourished diet of hatred of Jews and hatred of any life – including their own. They were also deprived: deprived of an education that cherishes culture, history, literature, art and the dignity of difference. Their impoverished morality coupled with ignorant generalisations is what enabled two men to butcher defenceless women without so much as blinking an eye.

        Your “wall” that you have erected outside your church, is hopefully just a result of your own ignorance and generalisations concerning the complex situation here in the Middle East. Nevertheless, like all walls, it serves as a facade and a barrier.

        If your wall was scrutinised, one would see that underneath the whitewashed surface that concerns itself with Israeli policies, there are blocks of anti-Semitism. These bricks stand high. They raise expectations from an entire people group. This wall precedes to separate the nation of Israel as non-desirable.

        Your wall is cemented together by a superior theology that tells it’s people that G-d gave up on the Jews. This is the same theology that lies behind radical Islam. G-d tried the Jews, then the Christians but ultimately it was the Muslims who He ultimately chose.

        Your wall, is just one brick in a global wall of an Islamic agenda, an agenda that will stop at nothing until the destruction of the Jewish State. To your own cultural detriment, it is a wall that obstructs truth and ultimately seeks not only to destroy Israel but every Judeo-Christian society.

        Your wall inflames an ancient conflict that for those like myself, who live in this region, long not for an exacerbation in hatred but for a quenching of hostilities.

        Your wall is an affront to Kristine Luken and other victims of terror who may well have been alive today had there have been a wall erected on the other 90% of land that separates us from our Palestinian neighbours.

        Your wall is an injustice to Christians living under Muslim despotism. Ironically it is the State of Israel, that you deem pariah and unjust, that is unique in the Middle East because unlike all of our neighbours, our Christian population is flourishing and our Christians have full religious rights.

        Please write on your wall, under the cross, now obscured by the crescent…. “R.I.P Kristine Luken.”

        Sincerely

        Kay Wilson

        Update: Kay has indicated she would be willing to fly to London at very short notice and present her letter to St James Church in Piccadilly. She would also like to write the name of her murdered friend on their replica wall.

        Please share this if you think it can reach someone with the finances and will to make this happen very quickly.

        kay wilso

      • Happy New Year to you too, Nazis always had propaganda to keep the holocaust, that’s some of what’s going on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1Gh7YNVuFk

      • Stormfront Carol, remember that comparing Jews to Nazis is antisemitism.

      • Jose dear, there’s absolutely NOTHING called anti semitism in Europe, http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2013/12/05/EU-anti-racism-agency-drops-definition-of-anti-Semitism/UPI-40191386275029/

        Maddie, it’s great that you have a name or two to write about, Palestinians have thousands of killed, bombed, murdered, tortured, homes demolished by the IDF on a daily basis with no end in sight. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oGYdhHwN8k&fb_action_ids=10152044903290692&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map={%2210152044903290692%22%3A563383633674413}&action_type_map={%2210152044903290692%22%3A%22og.likes%22}&action_ref_map=[]

      • Stormfront Carol believes a thing exist because there is a precise definition of it. Obviously, this is insane. Antisemitism has a dictionary definition that was not enough for current times. The EUMC definition was much better and included the Nazi thing you do. The fact that EU dropped it is the proof of a Muslim lobby trick but not enough to make the definitiondsappear from the radar. Search better, Stormfront Carol. Always a pleasure to read your Der Sturmer-style comments.

  3. “this wall is not built for security…it doesn’t protect Israelis in any way” – Halper.

    Halper wants to see the end of Israel as a Jewish State. The wall has saved hundreds of lives because it stops suicide bombers entering Israel.

    • What about the IDF bombing Palestinians on a daily basis?? what about the IDF who are waking families at dawn, blindfolding 700 kids a years and taking them away, torturing them and illegally detaining them for years without any charge?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5780HkiPVNc&list=PLD7E3EAD36EC1EDC7

      • The IDF bombs sites in your fascist gaza from where rockets are fired at Israel.

        Sorry Carol, bu the Israelis are not going to take Arab or your fascism lying down.

        Show us where palestians imprisoned in Israel for their terrorist attacks are emaciated. Gilad Shalit was emaciated.

        What do you have to say about the savage murder of Lee Rigby by one of your “heroes”?

      • Can you move your hateful, racist propaganda to a proper forum such as DerSturmer.com?
        IDF deliver food to “Palestinians” on a daily basis, not bombs. “Palestinians” routinely torture their own and attempt killing whoever is in their power to kill, provided he is on the Israeli side. Last week an Israeli bedouin lost his life. You are a muderer supporter and bksme the victims.

      • Carol – Your posts truly amaze me. You seem to actually believe the bullshit you’re posting. It’s just so hard to believe someone could be so utterly stupid to post such blatant lies and drivel. What a complete and utter moron you are.

  4. Perhaps the answer is to get a ‘Banksy’ team to decorate it with pictures of Israeli’s killed by terrorists

    Best regards. Loretta

    Sent from my iPad

    • Loretta. Here is my take on the obscene anti-Israel perversions that have turned the spiritual Christmas, for many Christians, into a political hate-fest against the Jewish state. Please feel free to cut and paste my opinion if you agree with it. It would be difficult not to;

      http://israeltheviewfromhere.blogspot.co.il/2013/12/christmas-has-been-hijacked.html

      • BARRY, TEXT IN ALL CAPS IS VERY DIFFICULT TO READ, ESPECIALLY IF IT’S MORE THAN JUST ONE OR TWO WORDS. EVEN THOUGH I UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH YOU FEEL LIKE SHOUTING (AS DO I), UNFORTUNATELY IT DETRACTS FROM THE COMMUNICATION.

        Here’s the same text capitalized normally:

        Barry, text in all caps is very difficult to read, especially if it’s more than just one or two words. Even though I understand how much you feel like shouting (as do I), unfortunately it detracts from the communication.

        Which did you find easier to read?

        In friendship.

      • barryview, the wall and actions are a response to Jerusalem’s churches appeal http://www.kairospalestine.ps/sites/default/Documents/English.pdf about what’s happening the the Christians were Christianity was born and the Christians are suffering under the brutal military occupation.

    • The facts on the ground is that Israelis are thriving at the destruction of the MILLIONS of Palestinian people trapped behind the twice the height of Berlin Wall, with more than 500 checkpoints in WB alone to humiliate and degrade their daily existence.

      • Carol,

        There are Israeli peace groups. “Peace Now”, “Gush Shalom”.

        Where are Arab/palestinian peace groups? Arab peace groups that denounce Islamofascism – the kind that celebrate the deeds of national Socialists of WW2?

      • Edward, since the so called peace started, 20 years ago, more than half a million settler moved in, Gaza been bombed before every Israeli election killing and maiming thousands of trapped defenseless people.

        Gaza right NOW is in the dark with NO electricity, no fuel, no medicine due to the 7 year Israeli siege to wipe out the 1.8 MILLION Palestinians.

        The twice the height of Berlin Wall erected with more than 500 checkpoints in WB and Jerusalem alone to humiliate and degrade the daily lives of the Palestinians, one Palestinian CHILD is killed every 3 days and 700 children a year are detained.

        5000 men, women and children are illegally detained without any charge in administrative detention, I can go on for ever, but these are NOT the actions of any people who at any stage want peace http://consortiumnews.com/2013/12/10/embracing-israels-atrocities/

      • Maybe you should try NSDAP.gov.de directly. No need to publish in moderate forums like DerSturmer.com, after all.

      • Sorry, Carol, but you mischaracterize the situation on the ground. Millions of palestinians may be situated behind a wall and face checkpoints, but that is because they foment and support terrorism — vicious, unbelievably cruel acts specifically targeting civilians, often women and children. If there were no atrocities, there would be no wall. It’s very simple. And if the corrupt arabs used their billions in aid to better their own lives instead of wasting ALL of the money they get trying to destroy Israel, then they, too, would be thriving.

      • Carole
        Why don’t you take your Pally Propaganda back to EI ,Mondo Weiss or MPAC . You will be far happier and so will we .

  5. Halper states the wall is a separation barrier designed to steal land and nothing to do with security .
    If that was the case , Israel would have built the wall on the border with Jordan and Syria in order to encompass all of the West Bank . For the most part it’s built on the so called green line . Halper and his minions suffer from a terrible disconnect from the reality of what the 2nd Intifada meant to Israelis . Life at a stand still . People fearful of the person standing next to them on a bus . My own daughter on a gap year forbidden to ever take public transport .
    As Richard states , this is a hate fest . A well funded initiative to further delegitimise , demonise and ultimately destroy the Jewish nation state . No other nation is subject to such mindless obsessive hatred . This has never been about building a separate state for the Palestinians . It has one objective . The end of Israel as a Jewish nation .
    I don’t have a problem with Halper, like Atzmon just another Jewish anti-Zionist. Move on.
    My real concern is how the Church of England has remained silent regarding this disgraceful spectacle and misuse of church property . Just imagine the outrage if a Synagogue had hosted a similar demonisation of Palestinians and marked reference to every act of terrorist murder and mayhem committed over the past 65 years .
    And then there is our own supine leadership who have simply buried their heads in the sand .

  6. “members of the public are being invited write on the wall.”
    Invitation duly noted. I won’t be in England any time in the near future, but I shall be asking all my friends and relatives there to take advantage of the invitation – in indelible ink, of course, because I know the organisers won’t like the message and will try to remove it. I take it, Richard, that you and your friends will also be availing yourselves of this opportunity😉

  7. Sure you too can scribble on this thing. But where is the massive Jewish objection to it all in the British press, media, parliament or the courts, if laws exist against such demonstrations of hatred and distortion of truth?
    Countries that have suffered such evil and experienced the results have enacted laws against such hatred, whether under the name of preventing anti-Semitism or its new equivalent hatred of Israel.
    And if Britain does not have such laws then fight for their enactment.
    Germany did it after having experienced similar events that led to the monstrosity of Naziism and Hitler.

  8. Jennifer Ashcroft

    Interesting quote from Halper: “this wall is not built for security…it doesn’t protect Israelis in any way”.
    I think the anti-Israel campaigners should check this out:

    http://edgar1981.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/is-boycott-israel-campaign-different-to.html

  9. This is the ultimate wacko C of E demo yet. Why aren’t these people tackling the persecution being faced by Christians in the Middle East. What has Justin got to say about this ridiculous event in a once respected London church. The C of E really finds some very strange people in their ranks to say nothing of Jews. Forget Ottolenghi etc as well.

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  11. Ghastly. I did email directly to the church to say my piece. It would be a good idea if plenty of people did that. Go to the church’s site if you want to at http://www.sjp.org.uk/ and there is an email button.

  12. how is that man befor talking about israel he shod tell me why same of the trorist came from england to blow up israely the man why ingland inved the mideleast years ago and the wall seved alot of israely and do not forget jesus came from a jow fameley that our contry that the arab inved befor 1948 thats the land of juda that the arab inved mery and josef was jow with out them you what have a god

  13. Richard, good to see you at the launch last night. A couple of important corrections to your piece. Far from being a last minute addition, the Israeli Embassy were one of the first people, in the person of the ambassador, to be invited to join the panel. In fact, although neither could make it, Ambassador Taub was invited before I wrote to Ambassador Hassassian. You may recall I emailed you at the beginning of December to ask for Chas Newkey-Burden’s contact details as I was very keen for him to speak.

    In terms of corrections, the other point to make is that it is Lucy Winkett rather than Julie. The rain did not make for good acoustics last night I guess.

    People are welcome to write whatever they like on the wall, ask whatever questions they like at the panel discussion and Q&A after the film screening. We’ve made that clear in all our invitations and discussions with, among others the Board of Deputies (though this is not to suggest they were content). I hope people will take part and listen to one another, rather than retreat into fixed positions that brook no challenge as so many of the respondents here appear to have done.

    • Go screw yourself

    • Dan, I don’t know you, and I appreciate at least your politeness. However, your tone really comes over as veiled sarcasm and smarmy.
      It’s all very well to proudly claim that you offered place on a panel discussion, but simply in attending, any Israeli official would give credence to the anti Israeli stance of both the festival itself, and some of your really anti Israeli and anti semitic proponents and participants. I think you knew that embassy officials would (rightly) not attend and you were “jerking chains.”
      I also see no balance or statement of the Israeli position on your wall.
      The Israelis have called it correctly in refusing to attribute honourable motive to the demonstration.

      • Alex, thanks for engaging. Apologies that my tone came across as you describe; my intention was the exact opposite. I hope I can remedy a little that here.

        The reference I made to the invitation to join the panel extended to the Ambassador was in order to correct Richard’s impression that it was a last minute addition. More importantly it was a genuine one. This event on 4th January is the only in depth discussion of the festival. As such we always wanted balance to be maintained.

        There are three audiences for such an evening: those sympathising primarily with Israel, those sympathising mainly with the Palestinians – and those who know of the issue, have concern about what it does to human lives and want to know more. Those are the people I am concerned with most. I don’t agree that participation implies endorsement, except perhaps for that event itself – and I’m very pleased that both the Israeli Embassy (though not the ambassador) and BICOM have accepted our invitation to speak. Initially the ambassador was willing to give a lecture but not partake in a panel discussion (I understand that he prefers to engage with audiences in this way and there was nothing exceptional about his response to our invitation) but in some detailed discussions with staff at the London embassy, we were able to reassure them that the playing field on the night would be a level one and on that basis they were happy to participate.

        Neither the festival nor myself are anti Israel. Personally I would describe myself as one of those much criticised liberal Zionists: Israel not only has a right to exist but its existence is as virtuous and as problematic as that of any other nation state, from the UK to the Lithuania to South Sudan – and, in the future, of a free Palestine alongside a secure Israel. My strong belief is that these two latter ideas are only realisable in tandem.

      • richardmillett

        Dan, any comment on Dembina’s joke about Auschwitz and Ziadah’s praising of Khader Adnan? And any comment on the cost of this whole venture? Wouldn’t it have been best donated to people in need at Christmas? You know saving the lives of people in need in Britain over the very cold period. Call me old fashioned.

      • Sirry that your worry about human lives is only concerned by a conflict that is much less lethal than another one much closer. Looks like a partisan obsession to me. Therefore you belong to the category of Israel-bashers, with no real interest in peace.
        “Palestinians” have clearly stated they don’t want a Jewish state. They just proclaim their own fate: no Palestine will ever be tolerated where they can threaten the lives of so many.

    • Qu'far Victory

      Jesus: Salvation is from the Jews.

      Not for you, then.

      Merry Christmas

    • Dan Judelson – I don’t know who you are, but your post implies you have something to do with this abomination that purports to support the oppressed but is, in reality, nothing more than a tool of the propagandists to further the anti-Semitic aims of the terrorists. And your civil-sounding tone does NOT lend any legitimacy to this effort. This hateful, lie-filled effort is a disgrace and a blight on the Church in England. Such a shame that you would hijack such a holy time of year with your hate.

    • Would you have joined the NSDAP in Germany in the 1930’s? You seem to want to see the destruction of the Jewish state……….

      I would write on the wall:

      from the river to the sea:fakestine will never be.

      OR

      Free free Fakestine with every 10 litres of Shell.

      OR

      Don’t come here with your anti-Zionist hate as there is no such thing as a fakestinian state!

      You seem to have been really taken in by all this nonsence of a the supposed oppression of people living where they want to live, who have elected terrorists as their government who, in turn, launch bombs and rockets at Israel. If people were launcing bombs into your town, what would you do? Do you fuss about Syria? About the murder of Christians in Iraq? No, you just drone on about Israel. GET A LIFE

    • I thought Church tradition was to condemn Jews at Easter, not Christmas.

  14. richardmillett

    Hi Dan, thanks for the amendment. I didn’t realise you were so heavily involved. A lot of people are pretty upset. Fair enough to invite some pro-Israel voices to the debate but the absence of any balance on the wall itself is not fair. Plus how much did it all cost? And Ivor Dembina and Rafeef Ziadah? What are your views on Dembina’s Holocaust “joke” and Ziadah praising Khader Adnan?

    • Richard, I find it obscene that I live in a FREE country were we Christians decide to support the Palestinian Christians, where Christianity was started, for you to turn it into some kind of Zionist Jihad.

      You do NOT have any right to decide who we support and don’t support, what we believe or don’t believe, you do NOT control or represent us.

      You want to stay in your barbaric stone ages mindset, each to their own, but you have no right to turn this whole 2014 ‘UN year of solidarity with the Palestinians’ into a circus, the wall WILL come down, the checkpoints will be dismantled and Gaza, the world’s largest open air concentration camp will be free with the thousands of illegally detained without any charge.

      Palestinians have very right to live like every single person on this planet, with humanity and dignity, here’s the British response incase you haven’t read it, http://www.kairospalestine.ps/sites/default/Documents/Time%20for%20Action.pdf

      • Stormfront Carol does cannot speak for Chrisrians, most of which are sensible enough not to support racist genocidal terrorists, from “Palestine” or anywhere else.
        The only people who cannot live normally there are Christians, Kurds, Baha’is and of course Jews. But for Jews, hey!, that’s nornal!

      • Fascist Carol,

        Does a Christian church exist in Gaza year round – not just when eurotrash conflict tourists show up?

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Baptist_Church

        “Death of church leader

        In October 2007, one of Gaza Baptist Church’s leaders, Rami Ayyad, was kidnapped, publicly beaten, and murdered by unidentified militants.[16][17][18] Ayyad—the first Palestinian Christian in living memory to be murdered for his religious faith[1][19]—had been the manager of Gaza’s only Christian bookstore, The Teacher’s Bookshop.[12][20] Following Ayyad’s death, Gaza authorities advised Pastor Massad to relocate in order to ensure the safety of himself and his family.[4] As a result of the violence, regular attendance at the church was adversely affected in following months.[21][22]”

        Fascist Carol, Happy Eternal Nakba!

      • Errrr the early ‘Christians’ were Jews, living in Judea…Jesus – called Yeshua to all who knew him was a Jew. By the way MOST Christians have left Bethlehem – chased out, some murdered by your peace loving Palestinian Muslims…NOT because of Jews. You obviously haven’t been to Gaza lately….they have a brand new shopping mall, a sports centre, massive swimming pools, shops are open all hours- YOU my dear are well and truly deceived. You are NOT a friend of MY persecuted Christian friends in Israel OR Gaza. Perhaps you ought to read Kay Wilson’s excellent letter about how her dear Christian friend was stabbed to death in broad daylight – her crime – she wasn’t a muslim…You seem to vent out so much anger in your responses that I fear your real hatred is not injustice, but rather anti-semitism. You hate Jews and therefore you hate Israel and all it stands for.

      • Ann Canton, why don’t you stick to your Jewish side of the story and we Christians stick to ours, there’s already an official statement by Jerusalem’s churches about the reality of the Palestinian Christians.

        Here’s the British churches response http://www.kairosbritain.org.uk/resources/documents/Time-for-Action/Time-for-Action.pdf

      • How do you know who is Christian and who is not, Stormfront Carol? Divine Revelation, as for Muhammad?
        I suggest you start looking with open eyes instead of refering all the time to links from racist websites.

      • Ann, yes Christians were Jews 2000 years ago but we converted, we follow Jesus Christs teaching, however, Gaza, right now is in the dark due to the CRIMINAL Israeli siege, with no fuel, no medicine, no food flooded by sewers and the world is watching.

        http://road2tahrir.wordpress.com/2013/12/16/gaza-is-not-a-humanitarian-disaster-its-zionist-made-catastrophe/

        Jose, both links were from the Church about the reality of what’s going on, are you now saying the Church is racist when we stick to facts instead of propaganda??

      • Yes, Stormfront Carol, I saw where the antisemitic links came from. I wouldn’t boast about this origin if I were you.
        This ridiculously antisemitic show organized by that racist church is just a publicity stunt to attract more people. In this way, it worked quite well. Maybe they will attract a few Muslims.

      • By the way, Stormfront Carol, remember to get one fact before you stick to it.
        The fuel, for example now comes only through Israel. Because it is Egypt that cut Gaza supply by destroying the Rafah tunnels. Hamas had previously refused to by any fuel from Israel. Their decision, not Israel’s.

      • You so not sound like a Christian to me….Christians follow a Jewish Messiah…you sound so full of hate and ignorance too

      • The majority of Christians are not aware that there is a 2013-years-old brutal Judaic war against Christmas, and against all that it represents. Christianity is a total contradiction to Judaism and to the Jewish way of life. Judaism, in its present form, is a racist, elitist, supremacist, chauvinist, discriminative, vengeful, intolerant, militarily genocidal, colonialist, enslaving, criminal, hate ideology, while Christianity is a religion of love, peace, equality, forgiveness, and compassion. Christianity is the nullification of Judaism.

        Judaism is extremely anti-Christian. Jewish war against Christianity has been the longest religious war ever; extending a period of two millennia and is still going on. Jesus Christ, himself, was the first victim of this war. Jewish Sanhedrin (high court) sentenced him to death and had crucified him. Yet his teachings had spread all over the world and had been adopted as the official religion of many states.

        Jewish rabbis did not give in, though, and have spared no effort in their fight against Christianity. They had developed hate literature in their “holy books” to indoctrinate their children, and had used the Christian compassionate teachings to manipulate Christians, to gain power over them, and finally to distort Christianity.

        The Talmud is the most revered Jewish book. It is filled with obscene descriptions of Jesus and his mother Virgin Mary. Jesus is described as evil, sexually deviant and idolater, who deserves to be killed. Princeton Judaic studies professor Peter Schafer reveals in his book “Jesus in the Talmud” the extent of hate Jews have towards Jesus. The book, endorsed by prominent Jewish rabbis, states that an early manuscript of the Babylonian Talmud gives a brief account of Jesus’ trial and execution by the Sanhedrin; the Jewish high court, not by the Romans. The book also claims that chief rabbis are punishing Jesus by boiling Him in a cauldron of excrement for eternity in hell. The Talmud also describes Virgin Mary as a hair dresser and a harlot.

        Jewish covert war against Christmas started when the Roman Empire adopted Christianity. Jewish false converts to Christianity had infiltrated the Church and caused the elimination of many Christian books during the meeting of the first Council of Nicaea in 325 AD, thus determining the context of the official New Testament. They have also started the inquisition to eliminate all possible opposition and to burn all the so-called blasphemous books known as apocrypha.

        Jewish infiltration and manipulation of the Church is still going on until today. . In his book “From Enemy to Brother: the Revolution in Catholic Teaching on the Jews, 1933-1965” (Harvard University Press, 2012), John Connelly, a professor of history at the University of California, Berkeley, claims that Jewish converts to Catholicism, such as Johannes Oesterreicher, Gertrud Luckner, Rev. Paul Demann, Geza Vermes, Renee Block, priest Gregory Baum and priest Bruno Hussar, among others, were the main drivers behind the 1962 “Vatican II Declaration” known as “Nostra Aetate”, which completely reversed the Church’s approach to Jews and religion. The declaration contains statements that Jesus Christ, his mother and his apostles were Jews, and that the Church had its origin in the Old Testament. It denies that the Jews may be held collectively responsible for Christ’s death, called the Jews “most beloved” by God, and that Jews “carried a special holiness.” In 1988 Pope John Paul II claimed that “Jews are our elder brothers in the faith” and later he stated that “Judaism is a response to God’s revelation in the Old covenant.” In 1995 Cardinal Joseph Bernardin of Chicago blamed the Gospel of John for “inciting anti-Semitism.” Finally the first act by Pope Francis was the June 2013 “Creation, Un-Creation, Re-Creation” Judeo-centric art exhibit extolling the Jews as “God’s Chosen People” rather than centering on Jesus Christ, whom the Jews murdered. The Jewish “Times of Israel” commented that “the Vatican is presenting an exhibit inspired by the first book of the Torah, rather than by a New Testament them.”

        False convert Jews had also infiltrated empires and most powerful countries and occupied high political offices through bribery, debt, and intimidation. Those false convert Jews instigated the two world wars during the 20th centuries to devastate Christian Europe, and to eventually create Israel on usurped Palestinian land. Communist Jews instigated the Russian Revolution and devastated Russian Christians destroying churches and confiscating church properties through the collectivization process. Many Christian leaders were either executed or sent to the Gulag prisons. The Jews had also devastated Christian Ukrainians through the Holodomor famine causing the death of 50 million Christians Ukrainians (almost ten times the Holocaust).

        Due to the fact that the United States was founded on Christianity and an estimated 86% of Americans are Christians, the Jews like to wage their war against Christmas behind the scenes as not to increase the awareness of their role in destroying the cohesiveness of this Christian country especially after they had controlled American economy, the media, the educational system, the politicians and American foreign policy. Very few Americans are even aware that there is a Jewish war; organized and financed primarily by Jewish organizations, against Christmas and American Christian culture and tradition. These organizations include American Jewish Committee, American Jewish Congress, Jewish Anti-Defamation League, and Jewish led and financed ACLU. They misinterpret the First Amendment of freedom of religion to support the separation of church and state issue and put it at the top of their political agenda as stated on the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs website (www.jcpa.org). In their attempt to marginalize Christianity Jewish rabbis and educators claim that the display of Christmas symbols, Christmas carols, and Christian classes exhibit “a lack of sensitivity”to those of other religions (2% Jews). Meanwhile the Jews are flagrantly raising their Menorah even on public land right in the face of other religions (86% Christians).

        The First Amendment of freedom of religion was intended to restrain the Congress from favoring any Christian sect over another as the official religion of all America. This was expressed by George Washington statement: “True religion affords government its surest support. The future of this nation depends on the Christian training of our youth. It is impossible to govern without the Bible.” The American government was meant to rule by the teachings of the Christian Bible. The display of Christmas symbols, the Christmas carols and Christian classes are actually guaranteed and protected by the First Amendment.

        Extremist and powerful Jewish organizations did not relent. They orchestrated political campaigns and filed law suits and under the justification of “protecting the religious neutrality of the schools and other public places” had succeeded in banning any display of Christmas symbols and singing of Christmas carols in public schools. Yet New York’s mayor Bloomberg and the school’s chancellor, Joel Klein – both Jews – allowed the display of Jewish menorah in New York’s 1,200 public schools while denied Christmas nativity display, falsely claiming that the menorah is a secular not a religious symbol.

        The Jewish campaign was so successful that the Christmas cross erection at the White House was banned, but the erection of the largest menorah was allowed across the White House on public land. While the Christmas tree and the cross are symbols of love and peace, the Jewish menorah is a symbol of a brutal culture of war commemorating Jewish military victory over their enemy.

        In their attempt to marginalize Christmas Hanukkah and Kwanzaa festivities were introduced and celebrated during the month of December as rivals to Christmas. Hanukkah is an eight-day Jewish holiday commemorating the Jewish Maccabean revolt against the Seleucid Empire of the second century BC and is observed end of November and beginning of December. Kwanzaa, first created in 1966/67, is a week-long celebration honoring African heritage in African-American culture and is observed from December 26th to January 1st culminating in feast and gift-giving.

        These three festivities have been turned into a month-long consumer orgy. Christmas symbols have been turned into conditioned stimuli to produce buying and money spending responses. Wrapped gifts had replaced nativity displays under Christmas trees. Christmas carols have been replaced with commercial advertisements. Shops are conditioned to consider Christmas as the most business profitable event of the year. Sale events had conditioned people to head to the malls rather than to churches, and to buy many gifts using credit cards to fatten the mainly Jewish financial institutions, who charge higher interest fees in these occasions.

        Due to the “coincidentally” occurrence of the three festivities, and under the justification of cultural neutrality and religious tolerance the “merry Christmas” greeting was turned into “happy holidays”. Even the name “Christmas” has been mutilated to become “Xmas”; omitting the Christ name from “Christmas” and replacing it with the letter “X” meaning deleted, omitted.

        In its war against Christianity and against Christmas within the US, Judaism seems to gain the upper hand. Christian symbols, Christmas nativity displays, and Christian classes are being banned in public properties within a mainly Christian country, while large Jewish symbols are permitted to be prominently displayed. Jewish rabbis are praying in churches and preaching of a false divine covenant with a privileged chosen people. Worst of all and besides the federal billions of American tax Dollars in financial aid, there are Christian organizations such as Christians for Israel and Zionist Christians, who donate millions of Dollars to Israel, an extremist intolerant religious state that is openly antagonistic to Christianity.

        In occupied Palestine (Israel) vicious Judaic war against Christians and Christmas started immediately after the establishment of Israel in 1948. Palestinian Christian churches and communities such as in Nazareth and Haifa were viciously attacked routinely by extremist Jews. Perhaps the worst outbreak of organized desecration of Christian properties was in September 1963, when hundreds of religiously extremist ultra-orthodox vigilante group, called the Society of Activists of the Torah Camp (Hever Peelei Hamahane Hatorati) orchestrated simultaneous attacks on Christian missions and schools in Jerusalem, Haifa and Jaffa cities.

        Jewish attacks on Christian churches and properties continue unabated until today. These attacks known as “price tag” and include filthy graffiti insulting Jesus and Virgin Mary, threats to all Christians, damage and torching of Church properties. Jews routinely humiliate and spit on Christian priests and nuns. Christian religious festivities are restricted by Israeli army. Israeli government had confiscated many Church properties especially in Jerusalem. Christian Palestinians are barred entry to, and prayer in Jerusalem.

        Jews of Israel openly brag about murdering Jesus and threaten to do the same to all Christians. The official Israeli television industry had joined into the fight against Christianity with children TV shows such as “History lesson with Toffee and Gorilla” insulting Jesus and calling him Nazi. Another Jewish talk show on Israel channel 10 makes fun of Christianity, Christ and his mother Virgin Mary calling her a whore. Youtube is full of such Jewish hate videos about Christianity. Just search for “Jews mocking Jesus”.

        Jews are utilizing all their financial wealth, their media control, their political influence, and their inside false converts to combat Christianity and to erase the real meaning of Christmas. Their two thousands war seems to have dealt some devastating blows to Christianity worldwide. Christians need to become aware of this covert war before it is too late.

        http://www.shoah.org.uk/2014/01/02/the-jewish-war-against-christmas/

      • Stormfront Carol, do you think anyone seriously read your rants?

      • Fascist Carol,

        Do you wish that YOU could have been your furher’s FIRST wife, and not that tramp eva braun?

        Born too late?

        Beaten Nazis Sign Historic Surrender 1945

        Happy Eternal Nakba Fascist Carol!

      • Ha! I just found the source of Islamofascist Carols screed.

        It’s a cut and past from…

        http://www.intifada-palestine.com/2014/01/jewish-war-christmas/

        Strange that it’s Muslims who bomb churches in Pakistan, Nigeria, Egypt.

        Happy Eternal Nakba Fascist Carol!

        Every Islamofascist attack on Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists,Bahais, the wrong kind of Muslim, gays, girls who want an education (like Malala) bring the end Islamofascism closer.

        Fascist Carol, go back to the 7th century or May 1945 Berlin.

      • Trust me Edward, you give Hitler a really good image, Israel today is beyond anything Hitler or his Nazis ever did.

        Your link is to Voice of Palestine, Palestinians who are suffering the brutal military occupation, are behind your fascist wall, are being killed in Gaza and on the checkpoints, tortured and detained for years without any charge, are both Christians and Moslems, what exactly is your point?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Christians

        People who support Israel, support wiping out both Christian and Moslem Palestinians, support oppression, discrimination and daily terrorism against trapped, defenseless people.

      • Grand Mufti? He’s one of your guys.

        1941 The Grand Mufti meets national SOCIALIST Hitler

        Happy Eternal Nakba Fascist Carol!

    • Re: Carol’s screed timestamped January 2, 2014 at 11:41 am

      I’m sure she considers that merely “criticizing Israeli policy” and would be shocked… shocked!… to be falsely accused of being a Jew-hater.

  15. Well, as it’s a church how about:

    Micah 5:2 “But thou, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though thou be little among the thousands of JUDAH, yet out of thee shall come forth unto Me He that is to be ruler in ISRAEL, whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.”

    Judah, not the West bank and from the tribe of Judah, in er….. Israel and not Ishmael in Egypt or Arabia.

    Even allah claims to have given the land to Israel.

  16. Thank you for telling us about this part of the continued effort to keep one small nation before the public’s eye as an object of hatred.

    This is a church and at Christmas, the birthday of the ‘Prince of Peace’, one would expect a display urging a solution to the divide and success to the peace talks, rather than this obsession with keeping the anger at boiling point.

  17. If the wall was for security reasons and only security reasons then Israel should build the wall inside her own declared borders.

    It’s not that there’s a wall that is the problem…it’s where the wall is built.

    • her own declared borders
      The 1949 Armistice Agreement is absolutely explicit that the armistice line (the “Green Line”) is NOT a border. Furthermore, no Arab country recognized the 1949 armistice lines as a border (or as having any validity at all) prior to 1967. Even after the 6-Day War the Arab countries refused to consider a peace agreement in exchange for Israel returning to the 1949 armistice lines (see the “Three Nos” of the Khartoum Conference).

      • Israel’s declared borders.

        “On the 29th November, 1947, the United Nations General Assembly passed a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish State in Eretz-Israel; the General Assembly required the inhabitants of Eretz-Israel to take such steps as were necessary on their part for the implementation of that resolution. This recognition by the United Nations of the right of the Jewish people to establish their State is irrevocable.

        This right is the natural right of the Jewish people to be masters of their own fate, like all other nations, in their own sovereign State.

        ACCORDINGLY WE, MEMBERS OF THE PEOPLE’S COUNCIL, REPRESENTATIVES OF THE JEWISH COMMUNITY OF ERETZ-ISRAEL AND OF THE ZIONIST MOVEMENT, ARE HERE ASSEMBLED ON THE DAY OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER ERETZ-ISRAEL AND, BY VIRTUE OF OUR NATURAL AND HISTORIC RIGHT AND ON THE STRENGTH OF THE RESOLUTION OF THE UNITED NATIONS GENERAL ASSEMBLY, HEREBY DECLARE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A JEWISH STATE IN ERETZ-ISRAEL, TO BE KNOWN AS THE STATE OF ISRAEL.”

        Israel has NEVER legally annexed any territory outside of those borders.

        As for Khartoum, yes i’ve seen the myth that Israel offered back the West Bank to Jordan rear it ugly head again in the past few weeks…Israel made no such offer to Jordan.

      • “christians for zionwatch”: I do not see any reference to specific borders in your post of 10:30 am (to which I appear to be unable to reply).

      • Hi, cba. Maybe this will help you.

        “MY DEAR MR. PRESIDENT: I have the honor to notify you that the state of Israel has been proclaimed as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947, and that a provisional government has been charged to assume the rights and duties of government for preserving law and order within the boundaries of Israel, for defending the state against external aggression, and for discharging the obligations of Israel to the other nations of the world in accordance with international law. The Act of Independence will become effective at one minute after six o’clock on the evening of 14 May 1948, Washington time.”

        Maybe this can be of further assistance,

        http://christiansforzionwatch.wordpress.com/2013/12/04/20-years-of-talks-keeping-palestinians-occupied/

    • May I remind you that the security fence is built where it is required to save lives. When Palestinian pledge to live in peace alongside the Jewish State of Israel the fence can be taken down. The murdered victims of Palestinian terror, sadly, cannot be exhumed. That was the sole reason the barrier was constructed in the first place.
      This simple fact of life (and death) has been fudged in as perverted and biased Christian hate fest against the Jewish state. To enact false anti-Israel images at the Christmas period is deeply troubling.

      • The images are not false…The wall/barrier/fence is reality. The wall/barrier/fence is outside of Israel’s declared borders…and that is my point. If you don’t like the criticism Israel is getting then i suggest you contact the Israeli Government and ask them if they could build the wall/fence/barrier inside Israel.

      • Christiansforzionwatch – The fact that you raise such a stink about “where the wall is located” and quibble about specific resolutions on where borders lie, rather than expressing any concern about the myriad acts of vicious terrorist acts against civilians that led to the need for the wall in the first place, not to mention the bombs launched into Israel, the intransigence of palestinian so-called negotiators who refuse to offer ANY concessions whatsoever toward achieving peace, or for that matter any of the much more legitimate injustices around the world (in Syria, North Korea, Africa, etc.) reveals that your motives lie in the hatred of Jews and not, as you would have everyone believe, in some righteous pursuit of justice. With the veils of your lies stripped away, you are revealed as nothing more than a lying, worthless, terrorist-supporting anti-Semite. To be spewing your garbage on Christmas shows what a disgraceful piece of garbage you are.

      • “No border has been agreed for Israel”

        Aw, wittle Jose is confused. As i’ve already pointed out Israel declared her borders in her declaration of Independence and since that time Israel has never legally annexed any territory outside those declared borders.

        Poor Jose, such a confused boy. Palestine became a country in 1922….suck it up Jose and stop living in denial.

        Oh btw, Palestine is mentioned as a place long before the Romans used the name.

      • richardmillett

        Palestine was a British Mandate, not a country.

      • But… But… David Icke said the contrary!

      • Ludicrous idiocy. Israel never defined her borders, even less so at independence, or it would be the Partition Plan lines. An idea that even David Icke would not support. So return to your guru and try to repeat his drivel more faithfully. That will be a progress for you. Still far from good, though

      • And btw, try to grasp the difference between, place, province, mandate, colony and country. By opening an English dictionary.
        I’m sure your guru Icke will approve the idea.

      • And the whole mandate, including Jordan, was the legally binding promise made to Jews. In 1922, British broke their promise and gave 3/4th of it to Arabs and forbade Jews to settle there (ethnic purity rules in Arab countries, like… where exactly?)
        Then the rest was for Jews, cross my heart and hope to die. Except that Arabs continued to setlle the rest in great numbers while Jews were progressively limited to a handful (see White Paper) and condemned to die in Europe at the hands of “Palestinians” best friends — the Nazis.
        So, the legal case is simple. The whole land from River to the sea belongs to the Jewish people. And “Palestinians

      • Your surname must be ‘Mourinho’ because you certainly are a ‘special one’

        Btw, if you’re going to comment outright lies i’ll just ignore you, ‘special one’

      • I see you are now at the end of your capacity to support your antisemitism with pseudo-facts.
        So no Palestine country ever created and anyway all the area was for Jews. But British accomodated Arabs because there was too many of them to keep calm in the area without their cooperation. Not that it helped. They revolted anyway and sided with the Nazis.

      • lol ‘special ed one’. I’ve shown you that Israel declared her borders and you refuse to accept this….which by doing so you are declaring Israel a non legal entity. I’ll leave you to work out the details on that one.

        I’ve shown you that Palestine, as of 1922, was a country. Again we find that the facts fail to penetrate your thick skull.

        I also said you’d argue against your own point regarding Jordan’s ‘annexation’ of the West Bank….and you did just that….rofl…i gave you a heads up and you still went ahead and argued against your own argument.

        Btw, can you show me from the mandate where all the land was promised to Jews?

        *gets the popcorn in and sits and waits on the ‘special ed one’ coming back with a pack of lies…possibly from myths and facts*

      • You showed that Israel was declared within these limits where Jews could apply their rule and that no other state was declared in the rest. As you know Arabs rejected even these limits and attacked the next day. No agreement, no border. War was to decide. But war didn’t yet finish. Thus, Israel has no borders, grasshopper.
        Negotiations will decide of the borders, not ludicrous brainless racists from David Icke forum.
        Remember to ignore me… LOL!

      • Aw little ‘special one’ is still arguing against his own argument. What can i say, at least when you argue with yourself you have at last found someone else with an iq below room temperature.

        Btw, if Israel has no borders then where does her legitimacy come from?

        Happy new year, ‘special one’

      • My IQ is way, way above your grasp, thanks to the left digit you don’t have.
        Israel is legitimate because it is, like all nations in the UN, able to protect itself.
        It wasn’t created by anyone else than the Jews who settled the land.
        No Palestine country, no president of Palestine and a legal support from an unkept promise of the British, giving 3/4th of the land to the sole Arabs.
        So Israel is legally approved by British, League of Nations and UN. Bye! Try to learn history outside of David Icke website.

      • Hmm the LoN was dead before Israel declared her Independence and borders.

        The UN you say, hmm, is this the same UN who bestowed ‘non member observer state status’ on Palestine.

        Note the word ‘state’, Jose.

        Your failure just keeps getting stronger, so much so that i’m getting embarrassed for you and your “high IQ”

      • The LoN’s legacy was taken over by UN. They uphold all what LoN has doneObviously UN1948 is not UN2010 (many more racist dictatures in it today). Yet the UN did not define “Palestine” borders and cannot reject the Oslo Accords, which force both parties to agree on them. Bye! Return to David Icke for more serious details.

      • Umm, yah, but the UN didn’t take over the Mandate for Palestine [oh golly gosh there’s that country Palestine again] As for Oslo, the Palestinians can annul them and then make inroads in heading for the ICC.

        But once again, i’m glad to see you haven’t departed from your ‘observer state of denial’…well done ‘lil buddy.

        I think i’m done here with you, Jose the ‘special one’ hasbarist.

      • Oh yes, UN assumed the LoN-validated British Mandate as all other remains of LoN.
        Then YOU are tge one who departed from the non-existing COUNTRY. of Palestine (with no leader but British ones) and found refuge in the UN fantasy of “observer state”. A state is of course no country. No land, no borders necessary. No decision on anything. Not even a money. ‘Palestinians’ use the shekel! LOL!
        Return to Icke website for your new prgramming.

      • You really are an ignorant individual, Jose.

        “The United Nations does not automatically fall heir to the responsibilities either of the League of Nations or of the Mandatory Power in respect of the Palestine Mandate. The record seems to us entirely clear that the United Nations did not take over the League of Nations Mandate system.”

        USA Ambassador to the UN, Warren Austin, Friday, 19 March 1948.

        If you also read Israel’s declaration of Independence you will clearly see how wrong you are…and you are very, very, very, very, very wrong, little ‘special one’

        Now please, hush up.

        Observer STATE Palestine….Nice!

      • LOL! Your reading comprehension is abysmal. The UN took over the British Mandate, and its promises and obligations. That is a fact. Please take your strawman about UN having to take all of LoN’s promises. No one ever pretented it could. It DID it for the British Mandate. Period.
        So UN gave ALL of that land between the sea and the river to Jews. That’s the legal case.
        Come bsck with more

      • Come back with a COUNTRY. named Palestine next time that you won’t confuse with the failed fictional state created on paper.
        Or with the proof of the reptilian aliens. Whichever comes first!

      • lol it takes an idiot to argue against his own argument once but it takes a complete imbecile to do it twice….You really have outdone yourself, Jose.

        Btw the ‘fictional state’ has voted at the UN. Maybe you should go explain to the UN that Palestine is a “fictional state”

        Idiot!

      • Takes an idiot like you not to understand two simple things:
        – no country of Palestine ever
        – fictional state existing on UN paper. No common people, no common law, money is Israeli Shekel, no legitimate government for five years.
        Return when David Icke show his reptilian friends.

      • You’re mistaken, Richard.

        As of 1922 Palestine was and is a country. From the Palestine mandate preamble,

        “Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country;”

        Note the word ‘Country’. Palestine under the Ottomans was a territory under the LoN it became a country.

        Also note article 7 of the Palestine mandate.

        “The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.”

        Britain was given the Palestine mandate to govern that new Country until such times as it could stand on its own two feet so to speak

        From article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations,

        “Certain communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognized subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The wishes of these communities must be a principal consideration in the selection of the Mandatory.”

      • British never fulfilled their promises. No country at all. They went away and expected Jews to be wiped out by Arabs, trained by the British themselves.
        Article quoted said citizenship given to the Jews that would settle there. Including Judea Samaria. LOL! Now our local buffoon’s butt is red hot!

      • Jose, you really are becoming a pain.

        From Israel’s declaration of independence,

        “…ON THE DAY OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER ERETZ-ISRAEL AND, BY VIRTUE OF OUR NATURAL AND HISTORIC RIGHT AND ON THE STRENGTH OF THE RESOLUTION OF THE UNITED NATIONS GENERAL ASSEMBLY, HEREBY DECLARE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A JEWISH STATE IN ERETZ-ISRAEL, TO BE KNOWN AS THE STATE OF ISRAEL.”

        From the letter they sent to the Americans,

        “MY DEAR MR. PRESIDENT: I have the honor to notify you that the state of Israel has been proclaimed as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947, and that a provisional government has been charged to assume the rights and duties of government for preserving law and order within the boundaries of Israel, for defending the state against external aggression, and for discharging the obligations of Israel to the other nations of the world in accordance with international law. The Act of Independence will become effective at one minute after six o’clock on the evening of 14 May 1948, Washington time.”

        Borders declared!

      • Reading comprehension is a problem for you. Israel was created within the frontiers of the plan. That’s a fact. No one said these would be the border of the state. Then the Arabs attacked and lost. That’s when Israel could have acquired borders. Arabs rejected it again and the Green line remained a cease-fire line. Attacked several times and 67 became the new cease-fire lines. Apart from Sinai and Golan heights, these were the legal frontiers of the Jewish territories of Mandate’s promise.
        So, no borders were ever set. Arabs have a very bad idea of rejecting every offer made by Israel in order to settle that problem. But the simple fact remain that there is no agreed
        border of Israel by any party. Bye!

    • Since there is no agreed borders and that is the main point of negotiations, your argument is just begging the question.
      Of course, there is no other reason to the fence than security and before the Pals went to Israel to commit terror attacks, there was no fence. That means 20 years since the liberation of Judea Samaria from Jordanian invader.

      • Are you saying Israel has no borders?

        Btw the Jordanians were the custodians of what was left of Palestine after the partition and that is why it was illegal for Jordan to attempt to annex the territory to Jordan…They were not “illegal invaders”

      • christiansforzionwatch:

        What are “palestines” borders?

        From the river to the sea?

        That will NEVER Be.

        P.S. Sadly Lee Rigby is not alive to celebrate Christmas with his family this year.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lee_Rigby

        I add the above link in case you don’t know who Lee Rigby was.

      • This is in reply to your comment further down.

        It seems your not the brightest light on the Christmas tree, Jose.

        I never said res 181 created ‘anything. I said Israel declared her borders….Israel declared her borders….

        ““MY DEAR MR. PRESIDENT: I have the honor to notify you that the state of Israel has been proclaimed as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947…”

        You then go on to say “a ludicrous indefensible banthustan cut in three parts.”

        Tell me, how many wars have been fought inside these ‘indefensible bantustans’ and how many wars has Israel lost inside these ‘indefensible bantustans?

        You also said,

        ” no “Palestine” was ever to be created in Judea Samaria”

        Erm the whole country was Palestine from 1922 right up until Israel declared her independence and Israel has NEVER legally annexed anything outside the borders ISRAEL declared.

        Oh and btw, Jordan never legally annexed the West Bank either.

      • The Partition Plan was a banthustan for Israel, that is a FACT, something you have apparently never crossed for a long time.
        Israel’s 1948 armistice was a little better but still undefensible. The 67 lines were much better and the only defensible ones that Israel ever had. Not to be abandoned lightly.
        Obviously, if I’m not the brightest light, you are not one at all.
        Take your racist talk elsewhere, where it can be given credit by your ilk.

      • Em, there was never any COUNTRY named Palestine. EVER. Or maybe you can tell me who was the president/king /queen/führer of it, at any date? I won’t hold my breath, so don’t worry for me.

      • Who ever said that Jordan LEGALLY annexed anything. They annexed Judea Samaria (not West Bank) to the world’s indifference, but totally illegally, in 1948. Judea Samaria was later liberated in 1967.
        Try to read Wikipedia at least. It’s tiring to go over Middle East 101 all the time, for ignoramuses such as you.

      • You really are a silly sausage, Jose.

        Firstly, can you tell me why Jordan’s annexation was “illegal”?

        You also tell me that,

        “Em, there was never any COUNTRY named Palestine. EVER.”

        Really, Jose, really?

        Now i know that you have heard of the Palestine mandate, heard not read, because if you had read the mandate you would have noticed that Palestine IS a country…it’s right there in the preamble….*waits on Jose providing the generic hasbara response*

        At that time, the British were the governors of the country called Palestine.

        You understand all that, Jose, Right?

      • Jordan invasion of Judea Samaria was illegal, as no one authorised annexation of that territory by Jordan. Especially the Jerusalem part, that was supposed to be under international control. Especially illegal was the ethnic cleansing of all Judea Samaria of Jews. That was a real ethnic cleansing, total and deliberate.
        So return to Middle East 101 and return when you can talk with adults.

      • I understand that your used taqiyyah is not on the level. The mandate was not a country and it included present Jordan, proof that the British were busy creating countries were NONE EXISTED. Jordan was created later and Palestine was never created as a country and remained a regional name given by an invader to an area covered by the country of Israel.
        Now return to Middle East 101. You impress no one here.

      • Ah, little Hose.

        “Jordan invasion of Judea Samaria was illegal, as no one authorised annexation of that territory by Jordan.”

        And no one “authorised” or recognises Israel outside its declared borders. So in effect, you agree with my initial point that Israel, the belligerent occupier, should build the wall inside her own borders. Please, allow me to get some popcorn before you start to argue against your own statement…I do love popcorn when i’m being entertained.

        Also, you do know that at one time or another that no countries existed…right? Anyway, here’s a link to the mandate.

        http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/palmanda.asp

        Get an adult to read it to you and pay special attention to the preamble and article 7. But please, don’t have an adult read it to you just before bedtime as i fear you’ll have nightmares and suffer sleep deprivation…you’re dull enough as it is without sleep deprivation and bogeymen making you worse….K!

      • Oh yes, junior. Israel could invade Jordan and still have a legal case. No border has been agreed for Israel. There are only cease-fire lines. 49, 67, 79 and 2005…
        So take back your Davud Icke propaganda and come back with an education on real history.

      • And by the way, a Mandate is not a country. It is just an area occupied by the British. No local leader, no independence nor autonomy. Before, Same thing with Ottoman invaders. Before, same thing with Arab invaders. Before, same thing with crusaders. Until you get to the only existing independent country that ever existed there: Israel.
        You don’t need to pay for that elementary lesson of history.
        Get back when you’ll have assimilated all that.

    • christiansforzionwatch, per your post of 2:22 pm:
      Which means you believe Israel has the right to the Etzion Bloc, right?

      • On which side of the partition was the ‘Bloc’ situated…the Arab side, so no.

      • @Edward,

        Edward,Edward,Edward. Did you have a leftover Chestnut after yesterday’s festivities and decided to throw it in here? I ask because i don’t understand what Lee Rigby, who was murdered by British Muslims, has got to do with the topic at hand.

        As for your other Q. Palestine the country was divided when Israel declared her independence with borders that accorded to UNGA res.181 everything outside those borders is still Palestine.

      • LOL! Please state where resolution 181 creates anything, Israel or “Palestine”?
        Partition Plan doesn’t even have 1948 armistice lines as limits of Israel but a ludicrous indefensible banthustan cut in three parts.
        It mentions Jerusalem will be internationally controlled and not part of any Arab state to be created on the rest of the already-amputated British Mandate (amputated from Jordan, 3/4th of it).
        Anyway, no “Palestine” was ever to be created in Judea Samaria , as Arabs rejected 181 and the only Palestinians at this time were Jewish, others being simply called “Arabs”. Jordan annexed Judea Samaria (therefore, it was Jordan) and Egypt kept Gaza as a dirty refugee camp until they got forced out in 1967. Never did they try to improve anything there, nor do they do it today, and with good reason.

      • christiansforislamofascismwatch,

        Excuse me. The murder of soldier Lee Rigby is not “a chestnut”. Maybe to a heartless progressive like you, but not to decent people.

        You should be ashamed of yourself for trivializing the murder.

        And the murder of Lee Rigby is part of the islamofascism that has infected Britain. The 7/7/05 bombings London transport was part of that islamofascist war on Britain. As was the 1988 bombing Pan Am 103.

        The separation wall impedes islamofascist attacks on Israel and saves lives.
        .

    • Corey Multer: There’s has been many terrorist atrocities committed by both sides [including large scale ethnic cleansing] have you acknowledged terrorist acts against Palestinians by Israel…No…do i call you a bigot or ‘Anti Semite’ or racist because you have not acknowledged such acts…No…why, because my point is this. If Israel needs a security wall/fence/barrier then she should build said wall/fence/barrier inside her own borders. If i have a neighbour who constantly attacks me should i put security in place to protect myself….Yes. Should that security involve building a wall/fence/barrier in my neighbours property…No. Should my security wall/fence/barrier also cut through gardens of other neighbours who have or have not caused me harm or threatened me….No.

      Your strawman argument and ad hominem attack carry no weight. In fact i’d go as far to say that your comment is the argument of an individual who has nothing of value to offer the discussion. You also soil and cheapen the term “Anti Semite”

      For shame. For Shame.

      • christiansforzionwatch: You start your reply with a lie. No – there have NOT been atrocities committed on both sides. There have been atrocities committed by ONE side. Israel does not inculcate its children to seek the death of arabs like the arabs teach their children to worship the death of Jews. Israel does not target innocent civilians like arabs do. Israel does not strap bombs to their young men and women and send them off to blow up buses and restaurants and family parties. No, Israel targets military and terrorist installations and goes so far as to drop leaflets and make phone calls to anyone in the area it plans to bomb, so that people can be warned not to be there when the bombs come. NO OTHER ARMY IN THE WORLD GOES SO FAR OUT OF ITS WAY TO AVOID CIVILIAN CASUALTIES! So no, CFZW, only one side commits atrocities. With that out of the way I can address the rest of your bullshit.

        Your trivialization of the entire issue of the wall is what’s shameful. The issue is not where the wall is built. It’s why there’s a need for the wall in the first place. If the arabs would stop attacking innocent civilians, then there would be no wall at all. The fact that you ignore/marginalize the victims of the terror that caused the wall to be put up in the first place shows that you have a warped sense of morality. So keep quibbling about “I don’t like where it’s built” and keep showing the rest of the world what a complete moron you are.

        Finally, as for your analogy, if my neighbor was constantly attacking me, I should attack that neighbor and wipe him or her out — which Israel certainly has the military might to do. But she is too humane to simply wipe this vermin off the face of the earth like they rightfully deserve.

        Your lies about Israel, whether you want to admit it or not, reveal you to be a worthless anti-Semite. You can protest all you want that you don’t hate Jews, you just don’t like Israel or you just feel their wall should be a few feet closer in, but the bottom line is that you choose to attack the victim, you trivialize their losses, and you would deny ONLY THE JEWS the right to self-determination that most other people in the world enjoy. THAT makes you an out-and-out anti-Semite.

        So go crawl back into your Jew-hating hole with your nazi brethren and stop soiling a Christian faith that is supposed to be about loving your fellow man. I’m not an expert on Christianity, but I know enough about it to know that despite your calling yourself Christian, Jesus would be ashamed of you.

  18. David Graniewitz

    When I was a kid I lived in the West End and I went to a primary school just off Piccadilly Circus. The school was then called St James’ and St Peter’s and was connected to St. James’s Church whose vicar would come and talk to us regularly. Each summer we would hold a hold a presentation of country dancing in the churchyard to raise money for the upkeep of the church — although I couldn’t understand why on earth anyone would want to pay money to see a little fat Jewish kid skipping the willow or doing the Gay Gordons or whatever it was I was forced to do.
    Had I known 40 years ago what would be presented there today, I would have let the bloody place collapse.

  19. Rev Willetts…I have a problem with U…Clearly U have no real understanding of YOUR bible…i suspect its different to mine…You see, Israel belongs to Gods People – the Jews…ok, admittedly, they may not be the nicest people on earth…but unlike muslims/palestinians and others they havent murdered/mass murderered (as hitler did)…i was in bethlehem a few weeks ago…my jewish guide WASNT allowed in!!! the birthplace of Jesus (Saviour of the World) is occupied by palestines (they all drive expensive mercs U know??-or do u?) so please…be a vicar, after Gods heart..teach HIS WORD and stop this stupidity…Come to know Christ…from what U are doing…it appears unlikely that U and I are, at present, 1 in Christ

  20. Dan Judelson has form.

    http://jfjfp.com/?p=830
    Here he is as a guest speaker for an Mpac fundraising dinner – an organisation that promotes the idea of a world-wide zionist conspiracy and uses material taken from neo-Nazi, and Holocaust denial websites.

    Judelson was also chair of Jews for Justice For Palestinians when it carried out a campaign of apologies for Jenny Tonge.

  21. Please read my response from Netanya in Israel to this obscene and Un-Christian, Un-Christmas, hate fest against the Jewish state.

    http://israeltheviewfromhere.blogspot.co.il/2013/12/christmas-has-been-hijacked.html

  22. We ain’t worrying too much about the opinions of a small minority in UK,,The Scottish will be reinstating Hadrians wall soon enough,,to keep out the Brit Muslim Jihadists,,,too much??,,,come back in 5 years.

  23. As usual, no interest in the truth, just a PR stunt to attract people.

  24. Mike Callaghan

    we should all send non abusive emails to their board of management, here is a copy of the one I sent with their email addresses
    Dear Sir /Madam,
    Especially at Christmas: I am absolutely shocked at the way your Church appears to have been duped by this group of self hating Jews and anti Semites, you allow a comedian who tells disgusting jokes about the holocaust to be part of a festival of hate against Israel. The Arab lands are not surrounded by the barrier, only Israel is having to surround itself against a nonstop stream of suicide bombers, the hand of peace with many many concessions is constantly rejected by the Arabs, whose stated aim is the destruction of the State of Israel and the Jews. I hope that you are just misguided and not thinking that this is a good thing to do, otherwise you may as well leave the barrier in situ so that you and your Church can hide behind it in your shame. Jews seem to be the only group of people who can be demonised without recourse to legal protection in this country. Why don’t you fight for the rights of Christians who are being persecuted throughout the Middle East? Israel is the only country in the Middle East that allows complete religious freedom to everyone. Only last night around 20 Christians were killed by a car bomb outside a Church in Bagdad.
    pcc@sjp.org.uk, financemanager@sjp.org.uk, vergers@sjp.org.uk, rector@sjp.org.uk, lindsay@sjp.org.uk, hugh@sjp.org.uk, secretary@sjp.org.uk

    • As a CofE member I despair of this church. I wrote to them a few Christmases ago after another of their stunts. I’m afraid your emails will have no effect. I talked to my father about St James’s at the time. His sage take was that they’d long been a trendy outfit but back in the day they had a very well-respected vicar (I can’t recall his name now) who was reknowned for his diplomacy, ability to see both sides of an argument and to bring people together. My last email to St James pleaded with them to follow his example but brought no response. I think this time I will look up the names and ages of those Israelis murdered in the years immediately before the wall, take a pen and write them on this wall. These men, women and children never seem to be considered.

  25. That’s not Jeff Halper . That’s Santa Claus – all be it a toxic Santa

  26. This is not a Separation Wall. It is an Apartheid Wall that perfectly symbolizes the policies of the State of Israel and its apartheid minded supporters. We all know that Israel has hired cadres of Internet commenters at their beck and call.
    If you wish to know more about the racist state’s war on Palestinian Christians, google the International Council of Churches Kouros Document.
    Israel is the apartheid state par excellence. South Africa’s Bishop Tutu agrees. What other country can you name that has jews-only roads connecting to jews-only settlements?

    • Kassamdra,

      Yes. Let’s compare the policies of the State of Israel against the policies of

      – Saudi Arabia – Muslims Only city of Mecca – No Freedom of Religion
      – Muslim Brotherhood to Military Dictatorship of Egypt – kills Coptic Christians
      – So called “palestine” and its embrace of Euro Fascist ideologies
      – hamass – Read the Hamass Charter of 1988 (same year that Pan Am 103 was bombed – 2013 is the 25th anniversary of that Islamofascist atrocity against innocents)
      – Syria – 100,000+ dead – 1,000+ dead from poison gas (a WMD)
      – Lebanon – invaded by hezbullah – proxies of Islamofscist Regime of Iran
      – Islamofascsit Regime of Iran – executes gay teens, stones girls to death, kills Bahais
      – Sudan and Mauritania – Current Day Slavery
      – Afghanistan – Taliban who mutilate girls – see the cover of Time Magazine

      For additional points, tell us who bombed London transport on 7/7/05.

    • jews-only roads Kassandra:
      Why are you still peddling this debunked lie?
      http://elderofziyon.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/myth-of-jewish-only-roads.html#.UrsgZ6GvLtE

      • Hmm, that’s a strange citation, amie. Your link says the following,

        “Today, most West Bank roads are open to the majority of the Palestinian population. ”

        Most? So there is still roads that are not open to Palestinians?

        It then goes on to say,And even at the time those roads were restricted for Israeli use, they were never restricted to Israeli Jews alone. The roads were open to all Israeli citizens — ”

        So Israeli’s were allowed to use the roads in land that did not belong to them or were outside Israeli territory but the Arabs native to the West Bank could not use them?

        That’s like Canada popping over the border into the USA and declaring certain roads are open to all Canadians but not Americans.

        Quite a weak link you left there, amie.

        Also, can you give me your understanding of this which was posted on March of this year?

        http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4353235,00.html

    • Kassandra, The countries practicing apartheid today are Islamist countries.

      Please tell us what is “progressive” about siding with the most regressive elements on the planet today?

      Your support of Islamofascists who dehumanize Jews as “sons of pig and dogs”, who hate and kill Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Bahais, Zoroastrians and the wrong kind of Muslim, reveals your lack of morality than anything else.

    • Joseph Blankier

      What an empty-headed little twit you are.
      You swallow the bigoted racist Pali propaganda who every day malign the Jews and crow about converting the world to Islam.
      You never mention the facts about terrorists murdering Jews, ignoring it completely. You obfuscate about Israeli security claiming it to be violation of “human rights” when it is no more arduous than going through bloody Heathrow!
      Apartheid?? Maybe you should ask the Arabs of “East” Jerusalem where they would like to live, under the PLA or Israeli. It’s a no-brainer for them.
      And why do the Israeli Arabs reject any land swap? Because it would put them in PLA controlled areas! Another rno-brainer.
      Your accusation is pure and simple Jew-hatred! It’s so easy, isn’t it And I’m sure you feel very comfy about it.
      The CofE is full of people like you. They’ve already bent over in supplication to Islam.
      And as for Desmond Tutu, too bad he couldn’t read Arabic.
      When he was in Israel and the PA extolling the virtues of of Pali terrorism, they held up sins saying: “First the Saturday people, then the “Sunday” people!
      That means you, Kassandra, you total disgrace!

    • No Jew only roads in the 22 Arab states due to there being no Jews . 850,000 were purged in the 50s and early 60s leaving behind everything they possessed in order to escape the massacres especially in Syria and Irak . No one does apartheid better than the Arabs and for good measure now that there are no Saturday people , it s the turn of the Sunday people .

      Iraq’s fast-dwindling Christian minority has been a target of al Qaeda Sunni militants in the past, including a 2010 attack on a church that killed dozens of people.

      U.S. CONDEMNS “SENSELESS” ATTACKS

      The U.S. embassy in Baghdad condemned the bombings, saying in a statement that Christians in Iraq had suffered “deliberate and senseless targeting by terrorists for many years, as have many other innocent Iraqis”.

      • There is a Muslims-Only city in Saudi Arabia.

        Where did Christians in Saudi Arabia celebrate Christmas?

    • The only ‘non-Arab’ roads (if they still exist!) might be 1 or 2 on the non-existent border because of continual lethal shootings and rock throwings on Israeli vehicles by Arab-Islamic bloodthirsty, hate-filled ‘palestinians’. Within the territories occupied by Arab ‘palestinians’ ALL the roads are No-Jewish-Vehicles-Allowed roads, even though Arab drivers and their passengers have never been shot at, or had rocks thrown at them by Jews.
      As for Apartheid states, seeing that Jews (Israeli or other) are not welcome either to live or even visit Arab-Moslem states and the Arab-occupied territory Judaea-Samaria known as the west bank (AbbAss: not a single Jew will be allowed to live in ‘palestine’…!) any intelligent, non-bigotted person would know who are the apartheidists and who are not.
      Israel has tens of thousands of Arabs, both Moslem and Christian, as well as Christians from non-Arab countries, who enjoy all the rights and priveleges of a vibrant democracy, even as it undergoes wars and terror attacks by Arabs. Lately, more and more Israeli Arabs, Christians and Moslems, are volunteering to serve in the IDF as they see what Arab Moslems do to each other and their Christian citizens, all over the Arab-world.
      Israel has also treated 200+ Syrians so far, including children, who needed medical help in the same way they have been treating many, many sick or wounded Gazans over the years. I can assure you that the Syrians themselves, and all the other Arabs, especially the so-called palestinians, would not do the same to suffering Israel-Jews were the gloves on the other hand.

    • Not racist ? This bunch of enablers of terrorism have simply airbrushed the terrorism that took place during the Second Intifada . Palestinian psychopaths were simply able to cross an open border in order to explode themselves and in the process murdered and maimed thousands of Israelis . But no mention of that , not a word . Just a diatribe of lies and propaganda culminating in labelling the wall apartheid or a separation barrier . Not a mention of the desperate need to provide security for its citizens . So yes racist it is . I doubt very much if this pious ‘humanitarian Rector raised so much as a squeak of protest and condemnation from her pulpit when the eviscerated remains of Jews were being plucked from trees and buildings following each new outrage . Her silence and now her failure to understand the suffering of Israelis during those years and her readiness to be a part of this gross lie regarding the wall at best makes her a sock puppet for enablers of terrorism and at worst a willing part of it .

  27. I spoke at length to the assistant Rector and explained that the wall was a last ditch attempt to stop the waves of suicide bombers crossing an open border in order to murder and maim thousands of Israeli citizens . She brushed aside this vital cause and effect , constantly returning to Palestinian human rights that were being crushed by Israels occupation . I asked her whether she had shown equal concern regarding an Israeli citizen’s Right to life . She gave a bizarre answer that I wish I had been able to record in that she had only ministered to the church for 8 years and the Intifada was before her time .
    Risible excuse , but then again ,one to one there always seems to be a disclaimer as to why it is outside their own personal remit . She also said the cause was open to arguments from all sides ( which of course it isn’t)
    This is why it is such a terrible mistake that we are sending representatives into what is a kangaroo court . All it does is to give this hate fest a semblance of legitimacy and recognition.

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  29. Quite frightening how the hatred and propaganda against ISRAEL grows and grows whilst the islamists continue to slaughter their own people and the left wing media and psychos like GALLOWAY exploit the situation using this wild fire type of blatant raging lying propaganda.
    How reminiscent it is of the nazis and again good people stand by and do nothing.
    Will we ever learn from history?

  30. I passed by the security fence today and saw five young Palestinians climbing over it. I was listening to the BBC World service and heard of the Iraqi church that was targeted by the car bomb of “Islamists” and the 14 Christians killed.

    Perhaps, I should have asked those five Palestinians to construct a life size replica of the burnt out Iraqi church by the fence.

    The Archbishop of Canterbury claims that Christians are now the most persecuted religion in the world, so it’s gratifying to note that St James’s Church still has the time and resources for a nice bit if good old Jew-hating.

    And, what better time for it than Christmas.

    Seasonal Greetings

  31. I wonder if it would be possible to set up a group of young Jews enacting bus bombings – a sort of live or street theater by a Jewish group opposite that wall to show what was happening on the Israeli side, and re-enact the murders caused by the intifada over and over?

    • Better: take a bus and tell the passengers you have a bomb that will go off in 15 seconds, the time Sderot inhabitants have to protect themselves and their families when the Code Red siren starts.
      This will certainly have a more profound effect than a simple replica of a protection wall.
      Make sure no one will shoot you before you have the time to explain this was just a simulation.

    • Why bus bombings? Reenact church bombings. Reenact the destruction of Christianity and the murder of Christians all over the world.

      Guess who’s the perpetrators are.

      http://www.leftfootforward.org/2013/12/think-of-persecuted-christians-this-christmas/

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  33. herbert deutsch

    I think many of the arguments made are nitpicking. I prefer to focus on two basic points. First, if the Palestinians put down there guns there would be peace. If Israel put down their guns there would be death Second, not the PLO, not Hamas and not Hezbollah have changed there charters calling for the destruction of Israel. To ignore these basic facts and to criticize for the wall strikes me as the ultimate anti-Semitic position

    • The facts on the ground are clear, Israel is the most powerful army on this planet that’s been killing and maiming the the defenseless Palestinians, you only have to look at Gaza today, WB behind the wall and 500 checkpoints, bombing Lebanon yesterday, Syria and who ever they please.

      They brought NOTHING but terror to the region, Israel is an invented country for invented people who have NOTHING in common with any of their neighbors, they’ve been raising generation after generation on HATE then arming and training them in the IDF to terrorise and victimise the Palestinians, here it is from the IDF soldier’s own mouths http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/

      It’s time to stick to the facts, not the usual propaganda that no one with an ounce of brain can take seriously.

      • Stormfront Carol, we spoke about FACTS, not FANTASIES. Take note.
        You just riduculed yourself by calling Tsahal “the most powerful army in the world”. USA, UK, France, Russia, China? Disappeared from your radar? LOL!

      • So take back your propaganda and return to your usual Stormfront forum.
        You ignore totally the facts on the ground, living for years in your own antisemitic fantasyland.

      • You are so deluded, actually I think ‘disturbed’ is more appropriate … I don’t think your name is Carol at all. You are NOT a Christian, you do not represent the Christian community that I belong to…your rhetoric is full of racial hatred…hardly following your Jewish Messiah are you? – How can you claim to be a follower of a Jewish man, born of a Jewish young maiden living in Judea in wait for it – Israel. If you truly claim to follow Him then how about practising His teachings and ‘loving your enemy’ ?

  34. My guess is that they’re not guarding it 24/7. The appropriate thing to do with this piece of propaganda garbage is BURN IT DOWN! I hope one of our British friends takes it upon himself to destroy that piece of trash. Burn it down. Smash it to pieces. Whatever it takes. End the propaganda machine before all of the festivities even begin!

    • Wow…You’re inciting people to carry out illegal acts of vandalism and or arson.

      Shameful.

      • I hope you hold islamists to the same standards. Exhorting Muslims to kill infidels in the UK is despicable.

        Some Muslims act on those sermons. Lee Rigby was murdered due to such exhortations.

        Are you willing to denounce imams, sheiks, who preach violence?

      • Destroying blatant acts of antisemitism is vandalism? While these racist acts are legal? Didn’t expect more from an antisemite.

      • I condemn ALL violence, Eddie. Do you condemn ALL violence?

        LOL @Jose. More proof that you are not the brightest light on the Christmas tree. But hey, at least you make me laugh.

        Ps i am laughing at you not with you.

      • You cannot start to imagine the hell of a laugh your ignorant self-righteous drivel provokes here!

      • christiansforislamofascismwatch,

        “I condemn ALL violence, Eddie. Do you condemn ALL violence?”

        Really? Where have YOU condemned Palestinian terrorism????

        Which websites have you posted comments denouncing Palestinian, Islamist, Hamass, Hezbullah, Taliban, Al Qada, Muslim Brotherhood terrorism?

        Actions speak louder than words.

        Prove your claim that you condemn Palestinian terrorism.

      • Eddie, i note that you fail to answer my question which tells me everything i need to know about you.

        Also, when i said i condemn ALL violence i meant ALL violence…Surely you can’t be as stupid as Jose?

        Ps “christiansforislamofascismwatch”

        “islamofascism”

        Where did a Neanderthal learn to spell that.

      • christiansforislamofascismwatch | December 28, 2013 at 9:20 am |

        > Also, when i said i condemn ALL violence i meant ALL violence…Surely you can’t be as stupid as Jose?

        You will have to present examples, instances where your “ALL violence” includes terrorism committed by
        – hamass
        – hezbullah
        – al qada
        – muslim brotherhood
        – assad family dictatorship
        – taliban
        – fascist iran

        Without such examples, specifically of YOUR condemnation of islamofascist terrorism, your claims are empty, without merit – a LIE – taiqyya.

        We are not as stupid as jeff halper, lucy winkett or your pro-fascist self.

      • CFZW: You’re absolutely right. A piece of racist, lying trash like this deserves nothing less than to be destroyed. I would feel the same way if they erected something saying that blacks deserved to be lynched or that women deserved to be raped. You may like to think of this kind of garbage as free speech. I see this kind of hateful, racist travesty as the garbage that it is. And garbage deserves to be brought out to the landfill or incinerated.

        I hope, and I pray, that someone out there has the courage to destroy this monstrosity. Kudos to the hero who does it.

      • Edward, you seem to have difficulty understanding the word ALL which i have repeatedly put in caps for your benefit. If you can’t understand the word ALL and the context it is posted in then i suggest you enrol in a special ed class.

        Hey, here’s an idea. Why don’t you and Jose enrol together, that way you’ll have someone’s hand to hold and as an added bonus you’ll only be the second most dumb guy in the class?

        Win win for you, Eddie.

      • christiansforzionwatch

        “Edward, you seem to have difficulty understanding the word ALL which i have repeatedly put in caps for your benefit.”

        Sorry toots. You’ll have to do better than that.

        You MUST present links to blogs, marches where YOU have denounced al qada, hamass, hezbullah, muslim brotherhood, taliban, salifist, wahabbist, jihadi terrorism.

        Otherwise you are just another empty headed hateful lying progressive fascist socialist.
        .
        The two latest islamofascist terrorist attacks in Russia show that islamofascist terrorism is a world-wide problem.

  35. I welcome the evergreen David Graniewitz to this excellent blog and together with other readers was captivated by recollections of his melancholy childhood. His modesty does not do his dancing abilities justice. I have seen David prance around as a lad, and would gladly pay for such a privilege once more in a church hall or at any other venue.

    Regarding Herbert’s admonishment, I wouldn’t be too hasty to castigate those nitpickers. Theirs is the often thankless task of removing tiny eggs of lice our hair and clothing. Today there are other means of doing so, but in the past being nitpicked was distinctly preferable to its alternative.

    However, if “nitpicking” is to mean the logical dissection and analysis of an argument, rather than just sufficing with worn out clichés and platitudes, such as your “if the Palestinians put down there (sic) guns there would be peace. If Israel put down their guns there would be death” I’ll choose the former. The other side has cliché’s too – our advantage is that we have the truth on our side and there are times when nitpicking is required in order to prove the legitimacy and justice of one’s cause.

    In the words of Joe Louis’ unforgettable slip of the tongue, “We are on G-d’s side”.

  36. Meanwhile over in Irak , it s business as usual .
    Christmas Day bomb kills 34 Christian worshippers .

    http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE9BO02R20131225?irpc=932

    Any comments Rector Winkett ?

  37. Iraq’s fast-dwindling Christian minority has been a target of al Qaeda Sunni militants in the past, including a 2010 attack on a church that killed dozens of people.

    U.S. CONDEMNS “SENSELESS” ATTACKS

    The U.S. embassy in Baghdad condemned the bombings, saying in a statement that Christians in Iraq had suffered “deliberate and senseless targeting by terrorists for many years, as have many other innocent Iraqis”.

  38. I must be careful about generalizing, but there’s a great depth – perhaps even profundity about modern British anti-Semitism. I am still haunted by the 8 or 9-year-old who I met while coming out of a swimming pool, when I was of a similar age. He explained to me that he hated Jews. Naively, I asked him why and with no less innocence he told me that he was not sure. He then mumbled something about our being stingy and speculated that my mother might hypothetically refuse him a drink were he to ask for one. I assured him that this was not the case.

    That same lad must be in his mid-50s now and may have spent four or five decades knowing he despises me, and looking for a reason why. Once it was Jewish Deicide, after all we were Christ-killers, poisoners of wells and drinkers of little Christians’ blood. In the aftermath of the Industrial Revolution and with the invention of modern science religion became less fashionable, but Racism turned up just in time giving the gentile new pseudo-scientific reasons to despise the Jew.

    Following the Holocaust racism was taboo as well as was to admitting to being an anti-Semite. You can google yourself blue in the face, but you will hardly find anyone in billions of sites and blogs who will admit to being a Jew-hater. So what happened? Suddenly they all changed their minds?

    Enter the young lad at the pool. He supped on Jew hatred with his mother’s milk, but back at the end of the 60s had no politically correct reason for doing so. Thank heavens for Zionism! Thank G-d for the roadblocks! Thank Saint James for the wall!

    I wonder whether he was the aging contractor who put up St James’ exhibit. Was he someone who gave a fiver to the “worthy cause” of its construction? Or did he just read about it in his tabloid and grin? Either way, next time he is asked at the pool why he hates Jews…sorry Israel, he’ll know why.

    Like I said, there’s a great depth – perhaps even profundity about modern British anti-Semitism.

    • … what do you expect, if the Vatican’s representative informs his audience like this? Even though the Vatican and the Pope itself may be suspect to Christians of other denominations, on another level they are still listened to.

      http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4467115,00.html

      And then there was this report on German “BBC” news informing me that the Vatican guy talked to Abbas directly in Arabic telling him to

      http://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/bethlehem-weihnachten100.html

      An ihn gewandt sagt der Bischof, nun auf arabisch: “Wir beten für Sie und ihre Mission, damit sich eine gerechte und faire Lösung des aktuellen Konflikts finden lasse, für die Einheit unter den Palästinensern und für den Frieden und Wohlstand Ihres Landes. Möge Gott Ihnen Weisheit und Mut schenken.”

      my translation:
      turning to him (Abbas) the bishop said now in Arabic “we pray for you and your mission, so that a just and fair solution for the current conflict may be found, for the unity amidst the Palestinians and for piece and prosperity of your country. (your country??????). May God give you wisdom and courage.”

      The German author of the piece considered the message to be ambiguous and – while I am at it – lauded the congregation for enduring bravely the power outage which reminded them of the dire everyday life of ordinary Palestinians and which was caused by the TV-crews excessive lightning needs.

      Somehow that made me admire your neighbours for their PR-skills.

  39. Sad that so many fail to see the crimes of Israel. Thousands of Palestinians have been murdered and tortured. Their ancestral lands have been stolen and over 10000 olive trees uprooted by settler thugs. Israel is the terrorist and apes Nazi Germany largely because Zionism is very similar to Naziism in its ideology of racial superiority and falsification of history. Nelson Mandela supported the Palestinian people as should all civilised people.

    • richardmillett

      So sad that the actions of St James’s church can incite racism like this.

      • Why do you consider it racism when someone state the facts that are going on the ground right now?? are you saying that you are NOT aware of the Palestinians being murdered and tortured on a daily basis, including 700 children a year?? are you saying the trees are NOT uprooted.

        Philip didn’t actually give you more details about the families pulled out from their homes, daily home demolitions, thousands illegally detained in administrative detentions.

        Not only this wall was built to cut of Palestinians from each other and the human race, stealing their land and resources, there are more than 500 checkpoints in WB alone to humiliate and degrade the Palestinians daily lives.

        What about BOMBING Gaza? killing and maiming 1.7 MILLION trapped defenseless People, why don’t you listen to them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Efxl8OfjPRw

      • Stormfront Carol, you have lost any contact with reality long ago. Those who are really on the ground see the compassion of Israelis even for their worst enemies.
        Learn from them and forget your hate speech and websites.

    • Phil,

      Sad that so many fail to see the crimes of “palestine”, assads syria (100,000+ dead with 1,000+ dead from poison gas (a WMD), iraq, fascist iran, taliban, hamass, hezbullah, muslim brotherhood, al qada, taliban, wahabbism, salfism, islamism and socialism.

      Hundreds of thousands of people (Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Bahais, Zoroastrian, atheists and the wrong kind of Muslim) have been murdered and tortured by Islamfascists.

      Islamism has become the new Nazi Germany. Socialist hitlers “mein kampf”, translated into Arabic is a Best Seller in the Arabic speaking world.

      Google Images “arab nazi salute” to see for yourself.

      Jews were in Israel and Christians in the Middle East (like the Copts of Egypt) long before the so called prophet muhammed came on the scene.

      So called “palestinians” are terrorists and ape Nazi Germany largely because Islamofascism is very similar to Naziism in its ideology of racial superiority and falsification of history.

      Next time you march, chant this…

      From the River to the Sea,
      palestine Will Never Be!

    • Murder of “Palestinians” is what happens in Syria, budfy. You must confuse it with Israel. As far as we know, murders and war crimes are committed by your “Palestinian” friends on innocent Israelis daily. The other day, they killed an Israeli Arab working on the Gaza fence.

    • Comparing Israel to Nazi Germany is obviously the slur of an antisemite, so you earned that title. Congratulations!

    • Excuse me Mr. Foxe, but you’re somewhat misguided. If you were being accurate, your comment would read: So sad that so many swallow up the arab propaganda and fail to see the reality of the situation facing Israel. Thousands of Israelis have been murdered and tortured. Their ancestral lands were stolen, and now that they have regained their birthright, a marauding band of fakesters have hijacked their history and tried to create a new reality where there was a supposed people with claims to Israel’s land. Fueled by anti-Semitism and supported by morons around the world who believe manufactured public relations stories and well orchestrated staged propaganda videos, these Fakestinians utilize institutions like the U.N. and the World Court who are all too eager to demonize the Jews. And recognizing a modern society that abhors racism, Israel’s enemies have hijacked a term used to describe a vile practice of racism, Apartheid, to dishonestly and ironically characterize the country that is the furthest from apartheid in the entire region. The truly sad state is that there are so many imbeciles out there who believe the anti-Israel lies.

      I’m glad I was able to correct your errors, Mr. Foxe. You needn’t thank me. The pleasure I get from spreading truth and dispelling lies is reward enough.

  40. Great article about an appalling display of lack of understanding and tactless anti-Israel bias by naiive do-gooders who do not present the whole picture. It makes me sad to be British.
    For starters Apartheid is something completely different. Secondly the British still have a similar anti-terrorist wall in Northern Ireland.
    Third, Britain is responsible for the mess in the Middle East in the beginning!
    If the Scottish gain independence this year, then started bombing English buses, I am sure they would rapidly put up a fence or wall and start checking people driving through.
    This stupid prank is an expensive waste of money by people who have no right to moralise and tell another country what to do. They should have given the money to the homeless instead! I think the Anglican Church should fire the vicar who allowed this to happen.

  41. I often wonder whether these so-called ‘christians’, especially the priestly class of the Establishment churches, have ever read the New Testament, let alone the original Bible (Tanach) on which the NT is based. First of all, the NT declares without any hesitation that Jesus (a circumcised, kosher, believing Jew to the end of his life on a pagan Roman cross with the sign “King of the Jews” over his bleeding thorn-crowned head) was of the ROYAL tribe of JUDAH, a descendant of King David, born in Bethlehem of JUDAEA (not palestine) (e.g. Matthew 2). I also wish to warn these hoaxers that God told Abraham that: “He who Blesses you and your nation, I will Bless” but “He who CURSES you, I will CURSE…! (Genesis 12:2-3).
    I fear that this curse will indeed fall upon Britain (and other so-called christian nations like the Americas, the EU and elsewhere] because of their religious leaders who constantly lie and libel and call for Israel’s destruction via BDS and taking away its God-given lands to give to the illegal Arab intruders (who have 21 other MOSLEM-Arab states spread over a vast MidEastern area) unless they wake up to their being misled…straight into the cauldron of Hell.

  42. I was taught to believe that Christmas was supposed to be a time of reaching out to friendship, peace and love. Clearly, the church got it wrong – this active display of pure anti-semitsm (not anti-Israel) whereby they laud terrorism, hate and bloodshed emphasis that Europe has not changed since the holocaust and makes a farce of their “Christian values” . I doubt this “church” had the same values when London bombings took place on 7/7 – of course not, hypocritical as that may be. The church does not need to value life – so long as it is jewish life – soaked in palestinian murderers blood.

  43. How about they construct a monument for Iraqi,Nigerian, Pakistani, Iranian, Syrian Christians who are being murdered in cold blood by Muslim attackers? What a gross show of anti-semitism by this Church. Great reporting as usual.

  44. What the heck happened with information being available to people?
    All these idiots should just have a nice google search.
    The wall is there, WE Israelis can see it. We don’t like having it, we wish it wasn’t there, but THIS WALL saves our lives and the lives of our families and friends every-single-day, with a drop in more than 90% in terroristic attacks in Israel.
    Go and tell Hamas and Fatah to stop preaching hate and our annihiliation, go and tell the UN to stop sponsoring summer programmes that breed generations of children with HATE towards us.
    We want Peace for everyone as much as anyone else if not more.
    And go and protest about Syria. Or Russia. Or China. Or Afghanistan. Or an endless number of other countries, worth protesting for.
    Have a Happy New Year, to all the haters who took part of this project.
    Am Yisrael Chai!

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  46. The word antisemite does not look cheap on you. Where are the supposed act of ethnic cleansing in Israel. Not one Jew in “Palestine” means total ethnic cleansing or genocide. Where did you see that in Israel, who has a 20% Muslim population, much more than UK? Has UK also performed ethnic cleansing?
    No, of course. But Israel is too Jewist a state for you… Antisemites by any other name would smell as bad.

  47. “Not one Jew in “Palestine”

    Really. So there’s no Jewish only settlements in Palestine?

    You also ask,

    ” Where are the supposed act of ethnic cleansing in Israel.”

    Well we know that Ethnic cleansing took place inside ISRAEL’S declared borders and we also know that Jews were also ethnically cleansed from Arab lands….But for reasons known only to yourself [probably to make your ‘anti semite’ label seem more plausible] you read ‘Only Jews ethnically cleanse’

    Hey, Jose, would it be fair to say that you hate Jews as well as Muslims but you take a Zionist stance because you hate Muslims more than Jews?

    • Solidarity with Israel BRADFORD

      Yes, a device facto population transfer took place in 1948 (as they have done in several over conflicts look it up) as part of the Arab Palestinian I initiated war of extermination waged against Israel, big deal, that was almost three quarters of a century ago and was entirely justified. The fact that many Palestinians remained in Israel in coinjunction with a mention in the deceleration of independence, finally topped off with Israel’s sizeable Arab population, one can only deduce that what happened in 1948 was necessary and it was never Israel’s intention to cleanse the land of Palestinians.

      I’d love to see you make this argument for the Palestinians so I can laugh at how retarded you are. Oh, please do tell me about the ethnic cleansing that’s happening today… I mean the fact that you have to go back all the way to 1948 displays how weak your position is.

      You have absolutely zero concern for Israelis e.g. Your desire to argue that there are “Jew roads” – this was never true, at times there have been Israeli roads but that was to allow Israeli cars to avoid routes which would subject them to potentially deadly violence, of course you’re not bothered about this because you are a bigoted moron in every sense of the word and please drop the attitude, you lack the intellect to even be considered a pseudo intellectual. Also, nice comparison because you know… Americans regularly carry out terror attacks against Canadians. Poor effort.

      • I’ll start with this,

        “Your desire to argue that there are “Jew roads” ”

        Can you show me where i “argued that there are Jew Roads”?

        Of course you can’t because i never “argued” any such thing making me question your reading comprehension skills.

        Also, can you tell me about this “deceleration of independence” you speak of?

        I can already tell you are an ignorant hasbarist [as opposed to a clever hasbarist] and as such offering you evidence would be a waste of time.

      • christiansforislamofascismwatch,

        Here is some “hasbara”.

        Google Images “arab nazi salute”.

        Happy Eternal Nakba!

    • Only Jews ethnically cleanseD. From Judea Samaria, by Jordan in 1948. You are a negationist ignoramus.
      Arabs residing within Israel 1948 lines were invited to stay. They left by fear of Arab armies, or by eagerness to see Jews pushed to the sea without taking any risk themselves. Some stayed and thank God for that choice!
      Not an ethnic cleansing except in your hateful mind.

      • I see that reading comprehension is not one of your strong suits, Jose, and apparently neither are facts.

      • Funny you say that, since you have proven your total disregard for facts, even those the worst ignoramus can find in Wikipedia. LOL!

      • christiansforislamofascismwatch,

        We see that honesty, humanity and reading comprehension is not one of your strong suits, and apparently neither are facts.

        Happy Eternal Nakba!
        ;

  48. This is an assault, not on Israel but on Britain’s Jews. Israel will do, as always, exactly what is necessary for it’s security, regardless of vile Christmas decorations in Europe. This is the Church’s cowardly way of expressing the ancient hate that for centuries saw Jews across Europe barricading themselves in their homes in this season of goodwill, against repeated pogroms in every generation. Why cowardly? Because it immunizes the sanctimonious perpetrators from prosecution for incitement – a fate that would have befallen them had they expressed their religion-fueled hatred in simple terms. Apart from the blatant lies on which the church hate-fest is based, it is, even from the false standpoint of the church, discriminatory. To ignore all those countries around the world where untold suffering is inflicted upon innocent people, and to single out the Jewish state, is obviously discriminatory – even if it were true. But the accusations are false – proving once again the need for a strong Jewish state with a strong moral defense capability against vicious enemies near and far. British Jews: Where is your defense?

    • richardmillett

      errr….good question.

      • To clarify: The question was addressed to British Jews, as a means of drawing attention to need to prepare to defend themselves against blatantly false accusations leveled against Jews in general in the long tradition of elements in the Christian world.

      • richardmillett

        I understood the question. I was saying it is a good question though because the fact that this monstrosity has gone ahead without anything more than a whimper from so-called Jewish leadership in Britain just goes to show how feeble the so-called leadership of British Jews is. And they say there is a powerful “Israel lobby”. If only.

    • Defence? Against a cheap stunt? That would be very silly indeed. Best treat it with the contempt it deserves and ignore it.

  49. Bethlehem, or Beit Lechem (House Of Bread in Hebrew) always was a Jewish town, birth-place of many Jewish boys and girls.
    As a major gesture and move toward a hoped-for mutual respect and love of peace, Israel handed over administration of Bethlehem to Arab autonomous control. From that point, life for Christians has been miserable and outright dangerous. Muslim Arabs generally don’t like or respect Christians.
    Facts:
    The First Baptist Church was bombed by Arabs 14 times during the fist Intifada.
    Out of 90,000 Christians in Bethlehem one century ago, only 19,000 remain now under total Arab rule.
    Many British churches, including the Piccadilly rabble-rousers, couldn’t care less about Arab persecution of their fellow Christians – genuine believing Christians under genuine Arab persecution. The true religion of the Church Of Piccadilly is Incitement of hatred – of Jews, obviously.

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  51. “When we build walls around us and do not reach out to all of God’s creatures, it might be pious, bit it is a treif way of life” Britain’s Chief Rabbi Ephraim Mirvis at Limmud

    • Try not to involve people who do not risk being killed by Arab terrorists every damn day. Especially the religious ones.

  52. Jennifer Ashcroft

    Looks like the St James Church now has very strong competition:

    http://edgar1981.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/tear-down-zionist-apartheid-thames.html

  53. Someone needs to dress up like a Hamas/Pa murderer complete with bombs and pretend to climb the wall (and fail, of course).

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  55. So if Mary and Joseph were around to day, they would not be able to get to Bethlehem to give birth to ‘Jesus’ because a wall would prevent them right? First of all Mary was called Miriam and Joseph was called Yosef or ‘Yossi for short.

    They’re right, Miriam and Yossi, wouldn’t have gotten as far as Bethlehem if they were around today. They would have been stopped by Israeli soldiers who would have warned them that as orthodox Jews it was TOTALLY UNSAFE for them to venture into Bethlehem. Had they continued they would probably have been stoned by children under the orders of adult Palestinians. Stoning a pregnant woman would be seen as a bonus, as we saw many times before the wall was erected.

    The soldiers, upon noticing that Miriam was pregnant would have simply called an ambulance and had her and Yossi shipped to Hadassah Hospital in Jerusalem where at least they would both be safe. If Yossi and Miriam had insisted on going to Bethlehem, then I’m sure that God would have moved the soldiers into providing them with an armed guard to ensure the safe arrival of His Son. Such is the situation today. Perhaps Western Christians would do well to ask why has the Christian population left Bethlehem? They too did not feel safe and not because of Jews like Yossi, Miriam and their son who incidentally was called Yeshua…

    The wall is there to protect the liberty of the citizens of Israel (Jews, Christians, Druse and Muslims) who wish to live in peace and go about their daily lives without being blown to bits by people who believe that the world should live in submission to their evil religion and backward way of life. I cannot think of one Muslim country where they are not either killing others or themselves…..where ever we see this religion, it brings destruction rather than advancing mankind. I find it loathsome. So far, I for one think the wall has done a very good job and long may it remain…well done to the Israelis for standing up to these bullies AND the West who are simply deluded – as seen by some of the comments here…i

    • Ann – There is only one thing I can say to you after reading your post. BRAVO! You go girl! Way to put it to the lying Israel-bashing scum in this thread. Throw their garbage right back in their faces.

      • If Jesus was to walk the Streets of London today – most people wouldn’t recognise him. This church would be nailing him up on their wall…

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  57. Judelson
    You have no credibility as a moderate voice . Here is your MPAC fund raising speech
    http://jfjfp.com/?p=830
    MPAC founder helped raise funds for a David Irving defence . Irving is a Holocaust denier .
    Your pathetic attempt to con the people with your sanctimonious declaration of just wanting to see two states living side by side is nothing but a lie .
    Jfjfp calls for RoR for all Palestinian so called second and third generation refugees thus dismantling the state of Israel . It won’t happen but the main thing is we who know you and your wretched bunch of far left as a Jews only too well .
    Take your mendacious agit prop somewhere else .

    • trumpetinthewadi

      So members of the Jewish religion are allowed a law of return after 2000 years, but Palestinians arent after 65 years. You are the racist here, Garfield

      • richardmillett

        The Israelis and Palestinians are at the moment negotiating an agreement one of the terms of which is the ability of the Palestinians to live in their own state once its borders are defined.

      • Besides, it is factually wrong to limit right of return to religious Jews. A number of them are atheists and there is also a fair proportion of non-Jews.
        “Palestinians”, as hostiles, should not be allowed to settle in Israel. If they really want a country, they should negotiate in good faith (they don’t) and start talking business instead of threatening constantly the population of Israel.
        There are 67 lines and 49 lines. Jerusalem is off-limits and will never be divided again. Palestine will be in-between but the longest and harshest the negotiations, the more concessions from “Palestinians” will be needed. And they haven’t shown any ability at making them, until now.

      • Can you tell me who you define as ‘Palestinian’ – because I have Jewish friends who have stamped on their passports ‘Palestinian Jews’ . There are also many Christians who are Palestinian – from the time of the British Mandate…so lets be clear….’Palestine’ consisted of Jews, Arab Christians and Muslims….I think that your history does not take you back far enough – when King Solomon’s Temple was built – who lived there then? Islam didn’t exist …

        There has never been a Palestinian language, never been a Palestinian Currency and never an indigenous people called Palestinians – they are simply Arabs or a mix of other Middle Eastern cultures… Now lets look at all the Arab States surrounding this one little tiny plot of land called Israel, IF the Muslims are so kind, peaceful and generous as they like the West to think- why have they not absorbed the Arab Palestinians that were supposedly kicked out of Israel? … After all a similar amount of Jews were kicked out of Arab lands – why didn’t they just give them their homes?

        I think the problem with this tiny strip of land is this: Its not Islamic, it will never bow the knee to Allah, it does not recognise Mohammed as a prophet … neither do I and neither will I. Israel is a barometer in world events, you would do well to watch it closely. She is the ONLY nation to stand up to the real threat to world peace, which is Islam….if you think that by giving Israel to the Muslims the world’s problems would be solved, you are greatly mistaken…

      • I realise its difficult for you but you really should try to come to terms with it rather than remain tormented . In the long run you will feel much better . Your hate is corrupting your soul . Never a good thing .

  58. Of course if I’ve got it wrong , you can always renounce ROR on this blog .
    Run it past your fellow apparatchiks first though .

    • trumpetinthewadi

      It is racist to support the law of return to members of the Jewish faith -secular and orthodox alike – while dismissing the right of return for the Palestinians. And vice versa

      • No, it is not racist and it is not religious either, since it accepts also some Catholics as well.
        It’s called selective immigration, a policy applied by most democratic countries, some hypocritically. “Palestinians” are unwelcome hostiles.
        By the way, do you support the “right of return” of Jews who we really forced to leave Hebron, Jerusalem’s Jewish Quarter, Gush Etzion, etc.? No? For what racist reason?
        And count the number of African-looking Arabs among “Palestinians”. About as many as Jews. Racism is a way of life for some, but it goes under your moral radar.

      • No one asked your forefathers to leave . Those that stayed thrived . There are more than a million non Jewish Israelis today . Israel is a free and democratic state that defines itself as a Jewish nation state just as there are 57 Muslim nation states .

      • trumpetinthewadi

        And no one asked your ancestors to leave Palestine, Harvey. They all drifted away because of what we would call social and economic issues. That was 2000 years ago, in about 135 CE.
        There was, however, Zionist coercion of the Palestinian Arabs to leave in 48, in Tzfat, Ramle and Lydda, as well as the villages that now make up Tel Aviv.

      • Heh, Tel Aviv was built by Jews because Arabs did not accept Jews in Jaffa! You know, the usual Apartheid you can find in every single Muslim country.
        Take your revisionist history with you, back to David Icke.

      • Tel Aviv was built where it was because those who built it saw that the Arab villages around there, Abu Kabir, Sheikh Muwanis, Jammusin, Salame, Manshiyyeh and Summeil, whose ruins you can still see between Arlozorov and Ibn Gevirol Streets. So much for a land without people for a “people” without land.

      • Jews were in the Land of Israel BEFORE the itinerant terrorist prophet called Mohammed came on the scene in the 7th century.

    • nakbainthewadi,

      It is racist to support so called “palestinians”, most of whom are in fact Egyptian, Syrians, Jordanians, Lebanese, Iraqis – while dismissing the right of Jews for a nation of their own.

      And the Jews were in Israel long before mohammed came on the scene.

      Plus there was an expulsion of Jews from Arab countries – 800.000 Jews – compared to 600,000 “Palestinians” – so it’s a wash.

      Population exchanges happened earlier between India and Pakistan.

      Let there be monetary compensation for 800,000 Jews and 600,000 “Palestinians”.

  59. If you haven’t yet done so, I strongly urge you to read this powerful open letter to St. James Church from Kay Wilson, the woman who was stabbed repeatedly and left for dead a couple of years ago in the Jerusalem Forest http://www.israellycool.com/2013/12/29/blocks-of-antisemitism/

    • yes, Please read Kay Wilson’s letter, its excellent, well written from a real ‘survivor’ of these backward, blood thirsty people who claim their religion is ‘a religion of peace’… as we saw on our own streets this year re Lee Rigby … May His Name be Blessed….

  60. 15 Killed in Blast at Russian Rail Station

    “By STEVEN LEE MYERS
    Published: December 29, 2013 4 Comments

    MOSCOW — A suicide bombing at a railroad station in central Russia killed at least 15 people on Sunday, according to official accounts, raising the specter of a new wave of terrorism ahead of the Winter Olympics in Sochi. More than two dozen were wounded, some of them critically, meaning the death toll could still rise.”

    I wonder which group was responsible for this latest atrocity….

    What do the Betting Parlors have to say?

  61. A proud Jewish Israeli Settler in the land of Israel

    The reason why the Jewish Israeli settler mother Mary gave birth to her Jewish Israeli settler son Jesus in a smelly manger is because the Innkeeper called St.James and his wife Carol hated Jews.God gave the Land of Israel to the Israeli jews and england and 21 other arab countries to the Carols .There never was a “Palestinian” people as quoted by “Palestinian” leaders.The Palestinian idea was an Islam/Christian drummed up invention to kill Jews.Even so Jews will continue to help the rest of humanity

    • trumpetinthewadi

      There was no such thing as israel back then, Mr Colonist.

      • Back then there was an Israel and also afterwards albeit for a short time. It diesn’t change the fact that Jesus was a Jew, born in Betlehem (Judea). You can rename it, as any negationist will, but this area was named after Jews.

      • Indeed, an expert, Richard, not a propagandist blogger

    • trumpetinthewadi

      Where on any map of the roman empire was there any place called Israel? Where since the combined kingdom under David and Solomon was there any place called Israel? It’s a modern construct invented after the zionist invasion of the late 19th century

      • That was the case until Roman decided to punish Jews and renamed the whole area Syria Palestina. It included present Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Israel…
        Obviously, it was some time after the conquest since the punishment was because of Jews revolting against the occupant.
        Feedback to your master David Icke.

      • trumpetinthewadi

        The Romans didn’t push anybody. Most of the Jews left, drifted away, of their own accord.

      • That’s negationism. There is dicumented evidence on Jewish slaves used by Romans.
        Go back to David Icke or IHR forums.

      • Yep, there were slaves. There were also Roman slaves. And slaves from all over the empire. No one said otherwise. But that doesn’t negate the fact that the Jews left Palestine of their own accord in around 135 CE.
        I suggest you visit the Ghriba Synagogue on the Tunisian Island of Djerba, especially around Lag B’Omer, and you might learn a lot about what really happened 2000 years ago. That’s where some of those who left Palestine ended up.

      • Oh, Jews left as slaves or by harrassment of Roman invaders. Not voluntarily according to anyone but David Icke.
        Now try to grasp the concept of historical proof. Till then, bye!

      • You appear to be obsessing about David Icke. Has he whispered in your ear? Most of the Jews drifted away from Palestine of their own accord. There was nothing for them there. Like so many else in the empire, they moved. Read Josephus instead of obsessing about David Icke.

      • richardmillett

        An expert speaks…

      • Yes, an expert, Richard, not a propagandist blogger

      • And you a islamofascist propagandist spammer.

        May 2014 be filled with Nakba for “palestine”, hamass, hezbullah, muslim brotherhood, al qada and the islamofascist regime of iran!

    • Matthew 2:19-21 After Herod died, an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt
      20 and said, “Get up, take the child and his mother and go to the land of Israel, for those who were trying to take the child’s life are dead.”
      21 So he got up, took the child and his mother and went to the land of Israel.
      Clearly, the angel of the Lord knew of the land of Israel back then.

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  63. Perhaps those who condemn the wall should look at the figures of suicide bombers killing innocent but Israeli children, women and men. Perhaps they should talk to the families of the Israeli dead and wounded. Or perhaps, as this activity clearly shows, you regard those people who live there as with less right to live than the Muslims who kill. These same people are killing and abusing Christians in Bethlehem, forcing them to convert or leave. These same Muslims are raping and murdering Christians throughout Muslim controlled countries yet I have not heard a word about them. I did not hear any condemnation of Sudan’s attempt at genocide in South Sudan. It seems that Israelis and Coptic Christians don’t count today.

  64. I would also point out that the Arabs (Palestinians didn’t exist then) were given some 90% of Israel before it came into existence, it was called TransJordan but you know it now as Jordan. I also note that none of you are objecting to the current culture of keeping the “Palestinians” as refugees which is against international law. They should have the nationality of the country in which they live but that has been forbidden, they are to be kept to encourage the West to abuse Israel. Kuwait threw them out during the First Gulf War and who spoke out, it wasn’t anyone on this board was it? There are those who have been missing for 25 years and their families do not know if they are alive or dead. And which of you has spoken out? Oh yes, none of you. I can continue but not one of you actually cares about the people known as Palestinians. Do you know where they came from? They were Egyptians and Saudis working for the British and they have no legal claim to any land in Israel, it was refused. Also note that nothing happened until the Arabs realised that they were not going to destroy Israel after the Six Day War and an Egyptian, Arafat, came and the Palestinian lie began. He stole funding and abused the people, this still continues today. The money is used to buy weapons and fund terrorists. Hamas has summer camps for 8 year old boys and teaches them to fight Israelis with guns, an international war crime and which of you speaks out? The PA use TV and childrens’ books to do so and which of you objects? Abbas says something nice in English and a couple of days refutes it in Arabic, he doesn’t want peace, he wants the destruction of Israel. Anyone who thinks otherwise lives in cloud cuckoo land.

  65. There is no curing the psychopath ‘Carol’ who has commented on this blog – because the targeted murder of Jewish civilians turns her on. Unfortunately I’ve met many neo-Nazis like her among the elites on my side of politics (Labour), and they actually laugh at human suffering (and despise the working-class, but that’s another story). There is no genocide of Israeli Jews Carol would condemn, no Holocaust she would lift a finger to prevent, no Nazification of Muslim children that would concern her.

    The worst crimes in human history don’t occur with one maniac leading a bunch of gulls – rather a bunch of innately cruel psychopaths look to support a maniac leader who can help fulfill their sadistic fantasies.

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  67. Last night , a somewhat peeved Justin Butcher appeared at the church gates ordering us not to block the entrance . I had to politely remind him we were standing on a public right of way and his authority ended at those gates . He seemed the type who likes to get his own way and was obviously put out that it wasn’t happening for him this time . He should be thankful we are not as crazed as some of his fellow activists who disrupt Israels finest .

    • trumpetinthewadi

      If you want to freeze your nadgers off for a lost cause and against a cheap gimmick, more fool you

      • The lost cause is this particular church which has opted to take a partisan and highly politicised role . It totally ignores Israels years of the Intifada when Palestinian psychopaths were crossing an open border in order to explode themselves killing and maiming as many Israelis in the process . On their poster board outside the church is written ‘ Israels ‘stated’ position is one of security . The inference being that there is something else other than security behind the wall . It’s subtle but ultimately transparent in its meaning . It’s simply a disgrace that this church has placed Palestinian suffering of inconvenience before Jewish suffering of acts of unprecedented barbarism over a a sustained 7 year period .
        How tragic that the wall was not already in place thus avoiding the loss of so many precious lives .
        I personally feel that unless the Church does something concrete to distance itself from the abomination which is taking place in one of their churches , Community relations will take a turn for the worse . I’m sure that the people behind this effort will view that as a useful extra to their strategy .

      • trumpetinthewadi

        You are still freezing your nadgers off because of a cheap gimmick.

      • Hi Joe what do you know

      • trumpetinthewadi

        Wrong. Again. Harvey.

      • Muslims bombing buses in Russia two days in a row.

        Who would have thought.
        How uncharacteristic.

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  69. The wall at this church is nothing more or less than a manifestation of anti-Semitism, Jew hatred, preached in the churches of Europe for centuries. How ironic that these churches have as their religion the worship of a Jew, Jesus, and veneration for his Jewish mother, Mary. If Jesus and Mary were alive today, they would support the existence of this security barrier which has worked to keep out the maniacal Arab suicide bombers who had killed thousands prior to the wall’s existence.

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  73. Wadi Trumpet

    The more you look at this, it looks somewhat contrived. Why didn’t you get a police officer to arrest the man under sections 4 or 28 of the Public Order Act or under the provisions of the Race Relations and Equalities Act? Why did he not object to you sticking a camera in his face – or, indeed, the geezer opposite?
    It’s a put up job, isn’t it? A bit of acting?

    • A jewish plot, I guess. Good! David Icke programming at its best!

    • Nope, just a bit of common or garden scaremongering. I notice that the author of this blog has so far declined to refute. So why wasn’t Plod brought in to arrest the reprobate? No police present? Near a demo? Hmmm…

      • LOL! Waiting fir soneone else to refute something that cannot be proven nor refuted. is the delusion of conspiracy theory.
        Those Jews! Always plotting something behind your back!

  74. And Richard,you know the Law and the provisions of both Acts. So….Nu…

    • Hope the church will attract a lot of Muslims! If we judge by what is happening in the Middle East, Christians side increasingly with Israel.
      Those in Muslim-majority states will be ethnically cleansed as the Jews were and Israel will have the last Christian community, with Lebanon for some time.
      The supporters of terrorists in UK will look quite silly, being more extremists than those they pretend to support today!

    • Still waiting, Richard. If someone were to spot the guy who yelled “friggin’ Jew” in your film and then asked for him to be arrested under the provisions of the above Acts, we could use your film as evidence. That’ll be proof enough that this is for real.

      • Yes, Richad, stop paying actors like Pallywood does!
        LOL, Joe, how long do you believe you can be right by making unsupported accusations?

      • Wadi Trumpet

        Well, I know you’ve come back to the site, Richard. So what’s it to be? An arrest for the guy in the film, or the conclusion that it’s not real? Former or latter. Your choice.

      • Anymore support to your conspiracy theory, Joe?

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  77. and where’s everyone’s voice against Syria in which more people have been killed and left homeless than in Israel?

    • It’s Islamophobic, counter revolutionary, to denounce Arabs killing Arabs – plus the 1,000 killed with Sarin, a poison gas.

      It’s not “progressive” to hold Arabs to standards all other people are held to.

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  80. Dear Richard,

    I have just received a copy of one of the resolutions for the ADM of the NUJ, which I want to send to you. Please send me an email address.

    In the past, these viciously anti-Israel resolutions were quashed because even journalists who were not particularly pro-Israel realised that for the NUJ to pass a resolution expressing such strong bias was not journalistically acceptable. Of course, if the resolution passes, I shall resign and so will lots of other journalists.

    Josephine Bacon