Hacked by Yachad.

New organisation Yachad describes itself as a “a pro-Israel pro-peace grassroots movement that aims to harness the energy of large numbers of British Jews through education, debate and advocacy in support of the steps needed to create peace and long-term security for Israel”.

They have just written a letter to Daniel Taub, the new Israeli Ambassador to the UK, and launched an Ipetition to gain signatures to the letter (see text of letter below).

Last night I noticed an automated email thanking me for signing this petition.

I couldn’t recall signing it and presumed I must have somehow done it by mistake. Then this morning I got an automated follow-up email from Hannah Weisfeld, a Yachad director, thanking me for signing and asking me to get my friends to sign it and also asking me for money.

Looking through the other signatures I noticed Jonathan Hoffman’s name. But he told me that he hadn’t signed it either!

I have nothing against Yachad and wish them well in their search for “long-term security for Israel”, but their letter basically amounts to a call for Israel “to end the occupation”.

It’s a nice idea in fantasy, but in reality ending “the occupation” would lead to Hamas, with the help of Syria and Iran, unleashing destruction on Tel Aviv, and Israel in general, on a scale unseen for many years.

Yachad means well but following their cause won’t achieve anything worthwhile soon.

Oh, and please will someone remove my signature from the petition. Thanks.

Text of Yachad’s letter to the new Israeli Ambassador to the UK:

Dear Mr Ambassador,

We welcome you to the UK and the British Jewish community.

The British Jewish community has a long and proud connection to Israel as the democratic homeland of the Jewish people and we care deeply about its future. Each day without a peace agreement makes this future less secure.

We stand behind the cross section of voices inside Israel – including former chiefs of staff, major generals, leading academics and intellectuals – who have spoken in support of a Palestinian state based on 1967 borders with mutually agreed land swaps. We believe the need to create a Palestinian state is urgent, and the best way to safeguard Israel as a Jewish and democratic state with secure and internationally recognised borders.

We urge the Israeli government to do everything in its power to make this vision more, not less likely, through taking steps to end the occupation and heeding the calls to return to the negotiating table.

We look forward to an ongoing dialogue with you throughout your term of office here and hope you will ensure our message of support is passed to the government of Israel.

Yours Sincerely,

39 responses to “Hacked by Yachad.

  1. Maybe Glenn Mulcaire has a new Job?

  2. Why can’t intelligent people understand that the issue is not ‘the occupation’ but Palestinians and Arabs refusal to accept a Jewish State. It’s really that simple. Until that changes no amount of good will can succeed. In fact, it may well harm Israel.

    As this will not happen soon, putting the onus on Israel to make more concessions is just wishful thinking.

    Eliminate hate and you are halfway to solving the conflict.

  3. Ray, do you want Israel specifically recognised as a Jewish state? You would not be satisfied with recognition of Israel and normalisation of relations with its neighbours? I ask because one of the things I do not understand about Netanyahu’s current position is why he thinks Palestinians recognising Israel as a Jewish state will offer it greater security. There are other reasons I think this is a mistaken line for Netanyahu to take, but it is the main one, as it is a theme he has introduced.

  4. richardmillett

    Dan J, Netanyahu’s is an attempt to get the Palestinians to come to terms with the fact that there will be no “right of return” of Palestinian refugees to Israel. If the Palestinians were allowed to “return” then Israel would not be a Jewish state. The current main Palestinian political ideology is of “returning” to Israel, so Netanyahu’s is an important political tactic to make the Palestinians realise that Israel will always remain Jewish. The fact they won’t admit Israel is a Jewish state shows the Palestinian’s true intent.

  5. “Yachad means well”

    How do we know?

    Ray and Richard: exactly!

  6. a British JStreet subsidiary?

  7. Richard, I’m not sure about the “main” ideology of Palestinians being one of return rather than self determination, but I agree with your assessment of Netanyahu’s motivation. I think he is profoundly misguided: The issue of return is one to be settled in negotiations, not least because the recognition he is after would not get him the political gain he wants. (Imagine they recognised Israel as a Jewish state: how would that preclude return?) The effect is to make it harder, not easier to come to the negotiation table. And at present – having taken a leaf out of an old Israeli diplomatic book – refusing to come to the table without either a settlement freeze from Israel or a commitment to a solution based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps is reaping far greater political benefits for the Palestinians than the Israelis.

    • So you really are unaware that the ‘Palestinians’ own declared ultimate aim of wiping Israel off the map and having a ‘Palestinian’ state from the river to the sea? Oh, dear.

      • PS. The 1967 lines are dead. Smell the coffee.

      • Leah, if the 67 lines are dead, then so is the prospect of a secure Zionist state in the medium to long term. (For some reason your comment below will not allow me to reply directly.

    • How about some prior self-commitment by the Palestinians like for example stopping “fashionable” stuff like this

      http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=5312

      PA summer camp sponsored by Fayyad
      names children’s groups after terrorists

    • Hi Dan,

      I read your comment with interest.

      “..refusing to come to the table without either a settlement freeze from Israel or a commitment to a solution based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps is reaping far greater political benefits for the Palestinians than the Israelis…”

      Wow! talk about a Win-Win situation. Those Palestinians are busy reaping away their political benefits and we, just for once, haven’t got to shoot ourselves in the head.

      It reminds me of the argument about “taking out” terrorist murderers. There’s always some berk who says, “That’s just what they want. You’re making them into martyrs.” I reply, “Then give them what they want. They’re human beings too. We can’t always say no to the fulfillment of all their legitimate national aspirations. If they want to be shah-ids, who am I to argue?”

      Likewise, I have no wish to either prevent Jewish people from building houses for their children or returning to what Abba Eban, darling of the Israeli Left, called “Auschwitz borders”, with or without swaps. If my Palestinian cousins are able to reap anything from that, I ungrudging say, “Good luck to them!”

      Now tell me namesake. Am I right or am I just Right?

      • Hi Daniel
        Your position is clear but neither right nor just (surely you expected me to say nothing less).

        It seems I am more of a Zionist than you, for if your wishes are realised, the eventual outcome will not be a secure Zionist or Jewish state, but a single state without a specifically Jewish character.

      • Hi Dan,

        I Hi Dan,
        I expected you to say “nothing less”, but frankly, I did expect a little more.

        I have not once met and engaged people who support the creation of a Palestinian state, but frankly cannot ever recall them refocusing the argument on the question as to who is “more of a Zionist”.
        You are right, I’m not the most Zionist and I know many who are more Zionist than I. I was born in the UK and made aliyah alone as soon as I legally could at the age of 18. I served 20 years in fighting units in the IDF, both as a conscripted soldier and reservist. I have lived, worked, paid taxes, absorbed immigrants, educated thousands of children and students here now for 31 years. My wife left Buenos Aires to move to Israel against her parents’ wishes, we have four children two have served in Elite units and the third joins next year. Both I, my wife and my two eldest have represented Israel as emissaries and worked in Zionist and Jewish Education here and abroad. Being” more of a Zionist”, Dan, means doing more for Zionism. I’m sure that you’re right and that you are “more of a Zionist” than I, but indulge me anyway.

        I do not think that the creation of a Palestinian state is a more Zionist position than opposition to it, or visa visa versa. Both are legitimate viewpoints whose merits can be determined by citing facts and engaging in debate – not by telling the other guy that you’re more of a Zionist than him.

        If the creation of a Palestinian state is a more Zionist position than opposition to it this would mean that the leaders of Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia, all who support the creation of that Palestinian state are all “more Zionists” than a large part, perhaps the majority, of Israeli citizens. It would certainly mean that the Palestinians who almost all support the solution you are suggesting are “more Zionist” than the Jewish people, many of whom don’t. Is that your position?

        I do not support a “single state without a specifically Jewish character” never have, never will. I support the continued existence of a single state with a specifically Jewish character or “a Jewish State”, if you like. I call it Israel.

        However, that having been said, I’d love to hear what exactly you mean when “you talk of a specifically Jewish character” When you’ve finished explaining why you consider yourself to be “more of a Zionist” than I, please do explain precisely what “Jewish character” you had in mind.
        Have a great Shabbat

        Daniel

    • Dan J: There are several contradictory Palestinian tactics to discount Jewish historical claims to Israel. A major plank in Palestinian mythology is the claim that there was never a Jewish presence in the Holy Land, at any time. Anything, that suggests there might be is nothing more than Jewish deceit, as noted in the Koran. Another variant, that contradicts the first, is the claim that current Jews aren’t really Jews but descendants of the Khazars, a Turkish people who ruled a considerable part of Eastern Europe in the Middle Ages. A third variant is the claim that Christians are part of the Palestinian ‘People’ and therefore legit but Jews are not. There is even a fourth variant that the Israel of the bible was actually in what is now Saudi Arabia.

      By refusing to accept Israel as the Jewish State, while at the same time insisting on Palestine as an Arab Muslim state the Palestinian Authority is leaving the door open for a fresh war to throw the foreign occupiers out at some time in the future. HAMAS is more honest. They mean to kill the Jews and take over the state and don’t beat around the bush.

      Israel as a Jewish state is a double blasphemy in Islamic terms. Firstly because of the rule that anything that was once conquered for islam remains Islamic property for ever. That’s something that should worry Bulgaria, Cyprus and Spain. Secondly because Jews (and Christians) are second class citizens (Dhimmi) who have no right to rule over Muslims. I’m not sure Abbas can accept Israel as a Jewish state (not that he ever intended to) without risking assassination for heresy.

      Sadat finessed the Islamic prohibitions by having his tame clerics announce that Jihad can be postponed if the enemy is too strong. That, of course, leaves the way open for war when the enemy, Israel, is weak.

  8. Israelinurse

    I think we are in need of an urgent – and honest – explanation from Yachad regarding the apparent poaching of signatures in such an unscrupulous manner.

  9. I agree with Israelinurse. I’m troubled about how signatures are being obtained and feel Yachad should be tackled as a matter of urgency.

    I had this concern back in May, and when their article appeared on Harry’s Place, it was a question I put to them. I didn’t get a response.

  10. There is a campaign out against Yachad. They are only causing more harm to Israel. There is an article in tommorows london jewish news exposing them, there is an article and fact sheet on the British Israel Coalitions website, and there is a facebook page called ‘Yachad (UK) does not represent me’ They usually do not respond to critisms and its a very unproffesional group of people as far as I know, whose reality check on the mideast conflict is near zero.

    • Roberta Moore

      Avi,

      There is no reasoning with such people. Best thing we can do is expose them and demand answers publicly.
      These people are a disgrace to British Jewry.

  11. Israelinurse make’s a very important point. How on earth did these signatures end up on this petition.

  12. “It’s a nice idea in fantasy, but in reality ending “the occupation” would lead to Hamas, with the help of Syria and Iran, unleashing destruction on Tel Aviv, and Israel in general, on a scale unseen for many years.”

    Here I must, sorrowfully, disagree with the author of this excellent blog, who I respect and admire, I see nothing nice about Israel creating another Palestinian state, not in theory, not in practice and not even in “fantasy”.

    “What does it matter?” the reader might ask. “If you both oppose the creation of a Palestinian state and you both agree that the Hamas, Syria and Iran are existential threats to the future of the Jewish People, isn’t that enough? If this were a Talmudic debate we might ask, “What is the “nafka minnah” here?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nafka_minnah

    And I say that there are two practical differences in our opinions, the first tactical and the second strategic.

    From a tactical point of view, the argument that we’d like to create a Palestinian state, but we can’t because it’s too dangerous is very difficult to explain. Nobody of this generation is a greater communicator that our prime minister and just look at the problems he has.

    It often involves admitting that we have no real claim to the land and are occupying another nation’s homeland, but because of our own security needs we have no choice, but to do so. It means forever having to try and prove how evil and dangerous our foes are. The non-Jews say, “If you have the most powerful army in the Middle East, what are you scared of?” While Diaspora Jews say, “If things are really as hazardous as you say, why would I want to return home? “

    From a strategic point of view the “I’d like to, but I can’t” is problematic because it is just not true. The majority opinion in Israel today represented by the Israeli Right does not believe that we are occupying another nations land, but that our claim to Judea, Samaria and East Jerusalem are stronger than any other, certainly than that of the brand new “Palestinian Nation” and that it is our by right. Even many parts of the Israeli Center and sane Left will say that we might have a historical or moral claim to the land, but we should compromise and refrain from exercising that right in this generation for reasons of demography, realpolitik, etc.

    Today Israel occupies one quarter of one percent of the Middle East. We occupy less than 25% of the land area promised us under the terms of the Balfour Declaration and the charter of the British Mandate. I have no plans to attack Jordan and take from them what is rightly ours, but I certainly have no wish to make Israel any smaller than it already is. Because I believe that Judea, Samaria and East Jerusalem are mine and nobody else’s I would feel the same way if I was being asked to create a Hamas terrorist State or one composed of lovers of Israel. The UK does not refrain from dividing London or creating a French state in the East of England because they are scared of the French or think they are terrorists, they do not do because England belongs to them.

    Likewise, the Land of Israel, that tiny beautiful dot on the globe is ours and we are giving it away to no one, not because we’re scared, but because we aren’t.

    Shabbat shalom

    • Thanks!!!

      It’ll take me a while to transfer that one into my own words, my own view of it as an outsider, but I will probably think of something, since I believe that “out of love” arguments are always so much better and more memorable and convincing and hard to beat than the “against” ones.

  13. Here is the link to the article in this weeks LJN re Yachad: We have an article in this weeks London Jewish News regarding ‘Flawed Yachad.’ To see the online version, click this link, and turn to page 15 at the top of the screen. http://www.totallyjewish.com/t​he_jewish_news/view/c-16665/je​wish-news-jn-699-21072011/

    I suggest a few of us writing letters to the LJN asking Yachad to explain their ‘Jstreet’ style dirty behavior….a few have sent emails to them..no response!

    • Roberta Moore

      Need to do a public open letter to Yachad demanding explanations and threatening to contact the police to request an investigation into their practices and regarding hacking possibilities. Need to be aggressive!!

  14. Yachad’s action (hacking) is just another example of those kinds of folks who will do ‘a wrong’ to further a cause that they believe is right. Their sense of honesty and fairness stops at the vestibule of truth when it furthers what they regard as a ‘higher’ cause.

  15. Roberta Moore

    Yachad does NOT mean well at all, and they do NOT speak in my name, nor in the name of thousands of proper decent Zionist Jews.
    They are a pathetic excuse for an organization, created by leftist retards who are pro-Palestinian supporters, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they are funded by the Islamo-fascists themselves.

    Make sure your names are removed from their idiotic petition and if anyone sees my name please let me know. I wont’ even click on their site.

    And Richard, just to correct you. There is no such thing as “Palestinians”, so they do not have any right to return because they were never from Israel to start with. If they get any right to return, we should demand OUR right to return to Mecca, Medina, and every single Arab city we have been expelled from. Not that we will want it, but two can play that game.

  16. Hi Roberta,

    I’ll talk about Medina, but I’m not going back to Mecca and that’s that. As a youth I spent far too much time there and almost lost my shirt once on a horse that fell at the final fence. Kopaloff remembers the story well.

    • What a teaser you are – what is the story of the horse the fence and the shirt – If you won’t tell then ring up Kopaloff and tell him to hurry.

      The tension building up is unbearable.

  17. Michael Goldman

    I fear Daniel mght be referring to Mecca the bookmakers.

  18. Michael Goldman

    Dan J.
    It may well be that there is little chance of a secure jewish state in the forseeable future and maybe even the long term , though we live in hope, but one sure way of making us less secure is to cut up our already rather small country and give bits of it to the very people who have sworn to destroy us.

  19. Goldman was right about the damned horse.

    The petition is actually quite comical for many reasons, one being that it includes several “Anonymous” signatures. Isn’t the idea of a petition to stand up and be counted?

    I was reminded of the lady on the last page who had come along to the Ahava demonstration but didn’t want to be photographed. Could she and the anonymous petition signer be one and the same?

    There was a time when our opponents were brave but stupid. Whatever happened to brave?

  20. OH MY G-D!!!

    Eva Braun has signed the petition twice using her maiden name! (numbers 275 and 276)

    http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/supporting-israeli-voices-for-peace/signatures?page=6

    Let’s see if she can persuade her husband to sign too. Aren’t they supposed to be dead?

  21. Okay, Eva’s off the list. Sherlock Holmes is there at the end.

  22. If you have not done so, please all write letters via email to the LJN/JC to complain about this and Yachad in general..A lot of people have allready, the more the better. Its important that people on the ‘fence’ realise who and what they are before Yachad grabs the naïve Israel supporters with their lies. Thanks

  23. For all of those who still remember, there used to be a rather sad “commentator” on this blog called Yoni. Not much was known about him other than his ignorance and foul mouth. After falling out with pretty much everyone, he declared he was going and went. Nobody mourned the loss. Similar to the time he had run away from Israel all those years ago.

    Soon afterwards a certain Leah appeared on this excellent blog. She shared many of Yoni’s characteristics – combining atheism, aggression and another foul mouth. The two did seem to have much in common, but it never occurred to most normal people that even Yoni would sink so low to “dress up” as a woman in order to win back a few “friends”.

    However, it now transpires, beyond a doubt that Leah is just a virtual transvestite. I have no idea whether Yoni dresses as a woman too, but would strongly advise any ladies he has endeavored to befriend to avoid all off-blog contact and under no circumstances arrange to meet Leah/Yoni in person. While I suspect that this androgynous is more pathetic than dangerous, erring on the side of caution is always advised.

    If any readers or Leah/Yoni wish me to substantiate my claim, I would be delighted. Richard might also want to compare their IP address as I doubt Yoni had the intelligence to alter it.

    • Do you happen to know anything about the special sensibilities of androgynes to the use of the word period? I wouldn’t ask if Google weren’t silent on this interesting topic.