The Battle of Monmouth Street

On Saturday some 80 anti-Israel protesters and 15 pro-Israel counter-demontrators crowded in front of Ahava in Covent Garden.

For the first hour there was actually quite a good atmosphere as a small band showed up which played a medley of old Communist tunes including The Internationale,which they duly murdered.

After an hour the atmosphere turned more menacing. The Croydon Division of the the English Defence League (EDL) pitched up and unfurled a Flag of St. George, which acted as a lighting rod for the anti-Israel protesters. For the next hour the EDL group and anti-Israel protesters faced off and exchanged insults.

The usual accusations of EDL collusion with the “Zionists” are now being made in an attempt to smear as racist those who support Israel’s right to exist.

Of course there was no collusion. In Britain you cannot stop anyone turning up, standing where they want, wearing what they want and saying what they want. You can only make complaints, of which there were many.

I understand that at the next anti-Israel Ahava protest on 28th August the possibility of yet another pen, for the EDL, is being investigated. Not that anyone sticks to their pens anyway.

That said it is of the utmost hypocricy to make claims of racism while at the same time calling for a wordwide boycott of Israeli goods and people and more to the point Jewish Israeli ones (anything Christian or Muslim Israeli is exempt from boycott).

Apart from the anti-Israel Ahava protests there is also the continuing anti-Israeli demonstration outside Marks and Spencer every thursday night from 6 to 8pm.

But Monmouth Street is very narrow. There is no room for almost 100 protesters antagonistic towards each other especially with cars constantly sweeping through and protesters all over the road.

And on the 28th the crowds will likely be even bigger with the EDL there. Something for the police to sort out before something goes drastically wrong.

Some pics. (click to enlarge) and a clip:

300 responses to “The Battle of Monmouth Street

  1. will Gert show up and do his protest of “guilt by association” stunt?

    or is Gert the Gert described here i.e. the one who finds big words always against one side and one side only i.e. but a coward when it comes to defending a principle which he has always professed as being dear to his heart

    http://melchettmike.wordpress.com/2010/03/26/the-israel-only-bashers-a-case-study-bridlington-gert/

  2. just to subscribe …

  3. JONATHAN “FIGHTING FOR ISRAEL”.
    There is a long and honourable tradition- whether we agree with it or not- of young British and Irish Jewish men and women joining the IDF in times of war and danger and fighting for Israel.

    We have had the 1st. and 2nd.Intifadas, various wars in the Lebanon, the Yom Kippur war, 6-day war etc. etc.

    Mr. Jonathan Hoffman,The Vice-Chairman of the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland is obviously of an age to have been of military age for many of these wars yet the closest he ever came to Israel all these years seems to have been gazing in the windows of the old El Al office in Regent Street.

    Funny then that Jonathan likes to describe himself as “fighting for Israel”.

    We have an Irish expression
    “Cop yourself on, Jonathan”

    This tag from JFJFP really outlines the legal case against Ahava. This is probably why nobody from Ahava showed up in court last week.

    http://jfjfp.com/?p=10400

    But the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland can no longer stand back and ignore this disgraceful behaviour.

  4. I’ve been soooooooooooo looking forward to reading this, Richard, as I do all your blogs – particularly on this sad subject.
    But – dash it! – I’ll have to click on the videos some other time – my cats are with me and the ear-splitting sound of the protesters always has them howling with fright!

  5. Inky
    what a dirty flag are you waving …
    how old are you?
    have you been on the Marmara wielding a piece of the reling to crack an IDF-soldier’s head?
    If not, just shut up you wind-bagging snorter of foul nonsense

    How dearly in need of a click here or there must your side be that you find it necessary to post your dirty links on this site
    That you are attractive to ill-mannered rabble rousers is beyond doubt. I vaguely remember an organisation that when it first came into being in my country appealed to the same kind of mob who’d be willing to do anything for a good chance at yelling themselves hoarse.

  6. I was there and as an Israeli it always impresses and warms my heart that there are people like Jonathan Hoffman around! Inky Flag, have you seen the film American X? Its about racist, narrow minded, angry young people who are so screwed up they cant see the light of peace. Perhaps you should take a good look in the mirror and offer a mirror to the extremist muslims shouting at the Pro Israel supporters – do you realise that your side is so agressive and wrong that the Police are required ?! You and your extremists will never get my Israel and therefore you can shout, blow yourself up, rant all you like– youre not helping the Palestinians one bit. In fact, it apears that the only Palestinians enjoying their lives are the ones that live within Israel !
    Mohamed would be ashamed of what you are.

  7. with special cheers for Inky:
    Harvard Did Not Divest from Israel
    Published by Ben Cohen on August 16, 2010
    Sorry BDSers. Looks like your sordid little campaign has suffered yet again. Why do you keep making claims that aren’t true, I wonder? Wouldn’t be Ahmadinejad’s influence, would it?

    http://blog.z-word.com/2010/08/harvard-did-not-divest-from-israel/

  8. Sounds like the whole things turned into a dick-waving exercise on both sides.

  9. Greg
    the sophisticated above everything higher minded whatever …

    if one side starts the dick waving, what do you suggest the other side should do?

  10. My conscience

    You wrote: That said it is of the utmost hypocricy to make claims of racism while at the same time calling for a wordwide boycott of Israeli goods and people and more to the point Jewish Israeli ones .

    “Jewish Israeli ones” You must be having a laugh? I know that most people, Jews and non-Jews, know the difference between the Jewish religion and Zionism. They are not the same. Jews the world over are ashamed of and disgusted at the criminal acts of Israel which is run according to the tennants of Zionism. Israel = Zionism. It’s Zionism that’s the cause of all the trouble in the Middle East, not Judiasm.

    That’s why there’s an international BDS campaign against Ahava and all other Zionist exports.

  11. richardmillett

    “My conscience” you are in denial about the fact that Zionism to your beloved BDS movement (what a success they are – not) solely means Jewish Israeli.

  12. My lack of conscience, you are simply wrong. Factually wrong. the movement you support is a racist antisemitic one – why else does it distinguish between ethnicities?

    Please explain.

  13. Inky flag, what have you ever done for Israel?

    I look forward to your reply.

  14. The Harvard Divestment Non-Story
    Posted: 16 Aug 2010 12:01 PM PDT
    … I contacted Harvard. I was told that the university was not divesting itself of Israeli companies; quite the opposite, it was moving its Israeli investments out of a developing-market fund to another fund focused on more advanced economies. An hour later, Harvard issued a statement saying the same thing.

    Inky:
    stop gnashing your teeth, it is bad for them and dental jobs are expensive.

  15. ooops forgot that we have BDS-ers here who tend to lack googling skills – so here’s the link
    http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2010/08/the-harvard-divestment-non-story/61568/

  16. Of course there was no collusion.

    Well, one thing we can rest assured of: we no longer need to squabble about whether these neo-fascists from the EDL support the Zionist Entity or not: they do (it appears there is now also a Jewish section of the EDL).

    Personally I find it mightily amusing (yet in a strange way entirely logic) that the ‘former’ (?) antisemites and current racists support a racist ideology like Zionism.

    If I didn’t live so far away it’d be worth coming down to see Hoffie’s face when the EDL unfurl their Israelis flags…

    That said it is of the utmost hypocricy [sic] to make claims of racism while at the same time calling for a wordwide boycott of Israeli goods and people and more to the point Jewish Israeli ones

    It took a little longer than expected but finally Richard ‘not a Zionist’ Millett finally puts his money where his mouth is and pulls the antisemitism card….

  17. Lill’ Adam:

    My lack of conscience, you are simply wrong. Factually wrong. the movement you support is a racist antisemitic one – why else does it distinguish between ethnicities?

    If I criticise the British, does that make me a racist? Of course in reality I’d be criticising the British government or parts of it and not ‘the British’.

    If you call Israel a ‘great Nation’, are you distinguishing between ‘ethnicities’ and does it make you a racist?

    We criticise what the government of Israel does wrong (when we feel sure it actually does wrong). That is not a critique of Jewry or Judaism: you might as well claim that criticism of Obama is racist, after all he’s black, is he not?

    Inky flag, what have you ever done for Israel?

    Why, what have you done for Israel, apart from claiming an occupation isn’t an occupation?

    You’re an imbecile.

  18. Gert
    please help me, in view of what’s written here I doubt that you got your politics as clearly thought out as you are trying to make some possibly blue-eyed one showing up here believe
    http://melchettmike.wordpress.com/2010/03/26/the-israel-only-bashers-a-case-study-bridlington-gert/
    (oops again that teutonized sentence structure – hopefully you’ll forgive me – btw what is your fourth language? Flemish, French, British that’s all I have found in your rants to date)

    no I’m not in the first states of dementia I am like
    Le petit prince ne renonçait jamais à une question, une fois qu’il l’avait posée

  19. congrats Adam
    once Gert resorts to belittle somebody that means that somebody has got to him.

    Gert
    who is a Zionist in your book?
    by your last invective towards Richard I guess it is anybody who stands against those who want to destroy Israel.

    that Harvard no news must have turned your brain into more mush than is normal – upgraded, hmmm, real sweet to my ears – those whom I assume you meant by “we” at melchettmike are obviously doing well only in the gutter regions of society.
    btw Gert when I get around to it I’ll send you a nice quote by you where you are not accusing others of guilt by association, oh no, quite the contrary.

    And here is a nice picture that I suggest should adorn your blog

  20. richardmillett

    Gert, can you explain the boycott of Israel (BDS) movement? Is it against all Israelis?

  21. Gert
    1. From whom is Judea and Samaria “occupied”?
    2. Perhaps you can explain how the BDS movement also supports the boycott of Arab and other non-Jewish Israelis – or don’t they?
    3. It is somewhat laughable that you try guilt by association in accusing those (and you single out Jews in your post) opposed to the boycott of being fascists. Yet on the last thread, you were happily celebrating the court case by wading in with people who joke about Anne Frank, Gilad Shalit, and gleefully express the wish to annihilate the Jewish state. Not a peep of criticism towards their words came from you.

    Therefore, in your own “guilt by association” logic, you must be an antisemitic scumbag.

  22. Silke, Gert only belittles himself, through his irrational and obsessive hatred.

    Sometimes I actually feel sorry for him. I’d hate to be in his head.

  23. Gert, last time I had “shit for brains.” Now I’m an “imbecile.” Are these mutually exclusive, or are they compatible?

  24. Adam
    as to Gert’s favourite retort when he feels cornered that the accusation is guilt by association – you mustn’t pressure him on that – that is just one of his laughable cut and paste arguments. Look at Inky’s garbage on this thread, if Gert were a true opponent of guilt by accusation he’d be up in arms to defend Jonathan – but for him to do that it would take first the ability to recognize a thing when he sees it and second to have a backbone and third to be able to extract some kind of recognizable standpoint from his mushed grey matter except of course the cut and paste style repeating of his anti-Israel mantras.

    Here Gert does a beautiful guilt by association himself but of course what’s right for the goose is not right for the ganter You claim to be Centrist Left (correct me if I see that wrongly), yet contribute to a blog (‘CiFWatch’), owned by an American conservative arsehole (‘Hawkeye’) which has another two deeply conservative contributors (Alderman and Hoffman).
    http://melchettmike.wordpress.com/2010/03/26/the-israel-only-bashers-a-case-study-bridlington-gert/#comment-5453

  25. Adam
    Are these mutually exclusive, or are they compatible?
    how can you be so mean, really naughty of you – there is Gert sitting as still as possible trying to keep his brain from sloshing from ear to ear and you want him to answer a question the answer to which he can’t cut and paste?

    But really Adam the worst thing for Gert is to realize that he has again opened all the doors wide for us having a ball ridiculing him. Actually as he is incapable of doing it (he’s tried it on me on another blog, all seriously unfunny stuff) he doesn’t know how much fun it is and how much getting the opportunity to do it re-energizes my “pro-Zio”-mojo.

  26. I am wrinkle-free, never use cosmetics, creams and lotions, and so am not qualified to comment on all the demonstrations for and against Ahava’s products.

    But I can tell you a think or two about fashion.

    As a budding young man in my female-pulling days, I stubbornly refused to wear blue and brown clothes together. It was not cool, constituted an untidy clash and was not deemed conducive to attracting the girlies.

    But on a recent visit to Tiberius, I perched out of my hotel balcony window and reveled at what my eyes were seeing. Such intrinsically different landscapes blending so beautifully together. In spectacular contrast, the electric blue of the Kinneret met the brown baron hills of the Golan in perfect jigsaw synchronization. The sun-bleached tips of the sandwiched hills were caressed by the burning aqua-blue sky, to complete this evocative picture.

    At that magical moment I was anyone’s, and it threw me back in time to my distant adolescence and got me reconsidering how I might have scored had I had the good sense to adopt Galilean color coordination.

    It makes you think.

  27. It’s ironic, but not without precedent: one lot of racists having at another, and the Jews getting stuck in the middle.

    The anti-Zionists will use the EDL as a pretext to accuse the larger Jewish group of racism i.e. they will blame Jews for something for which they are not responsible, and thus perpetuate the more old fashioned sort of anti-Semitism themselves.

    Plus ca change…

  28. Franne Frank

    The Zionist Federation sunk to an all time low supporting the EDL. REAL JEWS are hanging their heads in shame!

    • How has the ZF supported the EDL, Tranne Frankenstein?

      I’d say ZF is lucky to have ignorant, bigoted retards like you opposing them. You have the IQ of the average member of the EDL.

  29. Franne
    your dirty immature ignorant little kid screaming all over the place lying the house crooked
    proving that you have no shame no inhibition whatsoever

    if in my town your ilk should show up to scream down a neighbourhood and the by me most despised party full of swastika tattoos would participate in counter-demo would that make me pack up and go home?

    of course not, to expect me to do that is delusional – be careful, one of these days the men in white will find out about you

  30. Franne Frank, someone who mocks Anne Frank’s name, has the bloody audacity to talk about “real Jews.” (I’m wondering what “fake” Jews are). This is the same person who on another thread gleefully hoped the Jewish state would be destroyed – presumably with her Jewish inhabitants as well.

    Beyond farce.

  31. Franne Frank (how I resent writing that name in reference to an antisemite like you), the ZF does not support the EDL.

    Provide some proof – difficult, I know, when you’re a fantasist.

  32. Silke, well said! This “guilt by association” angle which the haters are trying out is truly pathetic.

  33. thanks Adam
    and the most pathetic thing is that Gert our superexpert for that argument feels no need whatsoever to rebuke the accusation in a case where it can’t be clearer that it is a lie by two very despicable human beings.

    which for me proves that Gert is a coward.

  34. ‘The Zionist Federation sunk to an all time low supporting the EDL. REAL JEWS are hanging their heads in shame!’

    Franne Frank, asides from sullying the name of Anne Frank, you are just an old fashioned anti-Jewish racist. The ZF has never supported or condoned EDL (unlike you, I suspect, with Hamas or Hizbullah). The fact that EDL turned up does not make the ZF responsible.

    But racists like you will always find a way to blame Jews whom you do not like for what they are not responsible.

    Well done, Franne Frank, you managed to bring the age old hatred of Jews to Britain in its latest form, and promulgate yourself.

    Your abuse of the name of Anne Frank nowwithstanding.

    It is is excuses for human beings such as yourself that are doing their level best to make the Jews of this country no longer feel this is their home. You are no friend of Anne Frank. You are collaborator with her persectutors.

  35. ‘This tag from JFJFP really outlines the legal case against Ahava. This is probably why nobody from Ahava showed up in court last week.’

    The Israeli witness summoned had not even been told there was a trial. We do not know why the store owner, Trindade, didn’t turn up.

    My guess is that the police and the CPS, who were bringing the charges, were not all that keen to press the matter, and did the bare minimum legally required to contact their witnesses.

  36. ‘Mostly Harmless’, I doubt you are the person whose website you pretend is yours. I doubt you are even Jewish. Every time you are asked, you fail to confirm in the affirmative.

    If JH is EDL simply because members came up to him and were photographed, then the Jews photographed with their executors were also Nazis.

    Trust filthy little anti-Semites like you and Franne Frank to come up with that one.

    • I don’t pretend to be anyone, the website I link to just happens to be one agree with on many issues, you should try having a look yourself sometime, the guy talks a lot of sense. The question of my faith is irrelevant. I’ll ignore your juvenile accusations, it’s getting tiresome.

      • It’s not irrelevant: by connecting to that website, you pretend to be the Jewish follower of Ahad Haam that runs it.

        Hitherto you have refused to confirm whether you are Jewish or not, which means

        a) you are not but

        b) pretend you are.

        That’s not a juvenile conclusion, on my part. It’s highlighting a juvenile subterfuge on your part.

        How do you know I haven’t read Ahad Ha’am? I almost certainly have read far more of him than you. But I, and most other Jews, including Israeli Jews, think he was mistaken.

  37. Franne Frank

    Jonathan Hoffman should resign immediately for encouraging the ZF’s partnership with the EDL. The ZF is losing credibility every day. Just take a look at the photo. DISGRACEFUL!

  38. Franne Frank, you are pathetic. Get it through your very thick skull – the ZF has done NOTHING to encourage the EDL – the EDL was not invited.

    Prove otherwise, or shut up.

    And funny how antisemites like you have no problem with Hizbollah supporters and Hamas supporters showing up to events with Jfjfp and other self haters.

  39. Franne Frank, why did you choose that username?

    Disgusting.

  40. Franne Frank’s disgusting brazen lies had at least one unintended consequence, i.e. they made me realize what a heartthrob looker Jonathan Hoffman is,
    exactly the kind of man on whose arm sophisticated ladies who have outgrown their immature hankerings for the gigolo types see themselves strolling through Salzburg imbibing delicatessen http://www.goldenerochs.at/images/top/salzburg_festspiele.jpg

    Jonathan whatever they photoshopped on that idiotic picture I am sure they didn’t take the trouble to alter your looks to make you look more attractive (and please tell your wife I don’t have any schemes except admiring from afar)

  41. I see JH lasting until the end of September at the latest. This is a disgrace that an poor excuse for a Jew should walk hand in hand with a racist. But then again, Zionist = racism, so maybe I shouldn’t be suprised.

    I am launching a campaign to impeach Jonathan Hoffman. Watch this space. You bring shame to real Jews.

    • ‘an poor excuse for a Jew’

      Another Jewish expert who pretends to be a Jew.

      Trannie Frankenstein, you are moron.

    • ‘Zionist = racism’

      Yeah. You have no problem with Palestinian or any other national self-determination.

      Only with Jews’, you racist man-bitch.

    • ‘I am launching a campaign to impeach Jonathan Hoffman.’

      Good luck, you transsexual retard.

  42. disgusting Franne
    one thing must be admitted in the field of throwing out nonsense you are really quite good – but believe me if you want to become a master at it i.e. making a blog go into hibernation you have to operate with the truth and only the truth. Both Jonathan’s hands are visible and none is holding any other human beings hand so forget it, you haven’t even had your first lesson in how to do it. Just smearing po..p around should make your fellows ashamed of you, what a testimony to intellectual austerity

  43. Franne Frank, your transparent attempts at guilt by association are truly sad – a bit like you really.

    Answer this: whay is it OK for Jfjfp to march with Hizbollah supporters, an organization which advocates the extermination of every Jew on earth (as official policy)?

    And why did you choose that username?

    Hypocrite.

  44. Conchovor
    I like your “youthful accusations” very much, they are like a breath of fresh air against the evil smells of the rotten from the inside out

  45. I see that Franne Frank has also failed to provide any evidence for her accusations. But she is someone who has declared her wish to see Israel (and presumably her inhabitants, or at least the Jewish ones) annihilated.

    Antisemitic scumbag.

    • WTF, is that, Trannie Frankenstein?

      Some blokes in combat fatigues turn up in the background?

      Your leaders openly support and espouse groups like Hamas which are dedicated to Israel’s extinction, not to mention promoters of anti-Semitic language and discourse.

      The whole point of the Free Gaza movement is so that Israel cannot blockade Hamas’ import of weapons and weapons materiel for its jihad.

  46. Franne dirties Anne’s name with an FR in front – could it be that is to be kind of a clue to what the despicable one is like?

    FR = Fascist Ridiculous

    any other ideas?

  47. Franne Frank – is that it? I mean, seriously?

    What is it supposed to show?

    • richardmillett

      Adam, Silke, why do you bother communicating with these recidivists? Don’t waste your time.

  48. Richard
    whatever you want …
    I never know what’s better to just keep mum when these nutters show up or try my best
    If something happens that makes you change your mind, let me know

    • richardmillett

      That’s ok. It’s whatever you want. No point getting wound up by them which is their objective.

  49. Thanks Richard. Personally speaking, I counter them for two reasons. Firstly, because I believe lies and hatred should not go unchallenged – ever. Secondly, I derive great pleasure in seeing the Gerts and Frannes of this world squirm. I simply enjoy winding these haters up.

    Please don’t take this pleasure away from me!

  50. Michael Goldman

    Nick
    Your claim of being wrinkle-free is only surpassed by your further claim that you never use creams and lotions.

  51. For the attention of Mr.Jonathan Hoffman,
    Vice-Chairman of the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland.

    PHOTOSHOPPED?
    I have been informed by someone who was there that the complete day was recorded by a professional photographer from the Metropolitan Police. This evidence is usually secured and tagged so that it cannot be interfered with.
    So there is a completely independent record of the disgraceful conduct.

  52. richardmillett

    Inky_Flag please, it is really sad to be so obsessed as you are. You are like a stalker. And before you try to smear anyone like you are doing i suggest you try to fight racism of all type like Jonathan has done.

  53. Inky flag, grow up. This photo is so secure, it is freely available. And what is it supposed to prove? Jonathan Hoffman has a track record of opposing the BNP – have you?

    Are you upset when people like Jfjfp march with antisemitic supporters of Hizbollah and Hamas? Your “sensitivities” seem rather selective.

  54. though I have my doubts that the incontinent screamers on this blog (a.k.a. Inky, Franne and Gert) know how to read I link to this one with my sincere hopes that it may enhance the pains their ulcers give them anyway (via Goldblog)

    Israel Economic Growth Unexpectedly Accelerates to Fastest Pace Since 2008
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-16/israel-economic-growth-unexpectedly-accelerates-to-fastest-pace-since-2008.html

  55. I’ve just blogged about this – naturally with a referral to this blog for all the details.

  56. I have said this before but I will say it again. First this shop should not be open on Shabbat. By opening the shop on Shabbat it is providing a platform for these racists to peddle their lies against Israel and as a consequence encourages Jews, whether or not observant, to break the Shabbat in order to mount a counter-demonstration. Secondly, by closing on Shabbat it will force the anti-Israel rabble to protest on another day when there would be less interuption and/or more people available to run a counter demonstration. Thirdly, to run an effective counter-demonstration more people should be around before the demonstration gets under way to takeover the space the demonstrators need opposite the shop and so force them to demonstrate at a distance from the shop. Finally has no one heard of stink bombs?

    • Nachman, you need a lobotomy.

      • Nachman, you need a lobotomy.

        I think he’s already had one. Probably on the cheap too.

        Interesting how he manages to blame ‘eeviiiil antiiiseeemites’ for ‘forcing’ innocent Jews to have to counter-demonstrate on the Sabbath! Is there no end to how these people find ways of torturing Jews? Strangely enough, Hoffie looked quite happy and buoyant at the demo, although we have some reports of Richard Millett sneaking around like a wannabe investigative journalist, in turn being followed around by Deborah Fink in good old ‘us watching you watching us’ fashion…

    • richardmillett

      Stink bombs. Hilarious. Everyone will end up with ASBOs!

  57. Nachman wrote:

    Finally has no one heard of stink bombs?

    That is a fantastic idea! It should increase the popularity of the pro-AHAVA demonstrators no end! It might even permanently ruin the store’s stock, thereby putting an end to the problem altogether. As a chemist I’m willing to supply the bombs at competitive prices…

  58. Our unsurpassable darling Gert has again not missed an opportunity to slander where there is no ground for slander

    therefore anybody who should have eaten something unbecoming and feels in need of a vomitive emetic or an emetic vomitive should go and read his blog.

  59. Gert, I have been reliably informed that some of your precious demonstrators have used antisemitic epithets against the counter demonstrators. In addition, several pf the pro demonstrators on this very blog have expressed the most outrageous racist and even genocidal comments, to your utter silence. You pretend you are anti racist, but when confronted with it, you ignore it – because you have a bigger agenda. How shameful.

    This is the third thread you have failed to answer this question – let’s try again Gert, and really give it a good think: from whom is Judea and Samaria “occupied”?

  60. Adam
    If your stomach feels up to it, click on Gert’s name and have a peek at his latest post on his own low-down outlet which he calls a website. And even though the first few sentences will make you want to puke never again will you feel obliged to hesitate for one second to check whether Gert may have a point when he comes up with his favourite canard of a retort i.e. the “guilt by association”. Gertiebaby is associating him so intimately by now that “their” goo is all over him, no attempt at slick arguing will ever be able to free him from that.

    But so what melchettmike had most of it in writing long ago:
    http://melchettmike.wordpress.com/2010/03/26/the-israel-only-bashers-a-case-study-bridlington-gert/

    oh and Adam, do you happen to know what that two-finger-gesture of youthful Gert on Facebook stands for? It must be something specifically Flemish or I would know.

  61. oh and Adam, do you happen to know what that two-finger-gesture of youthful Gert on Facebook stands for? It must be something specifically Flemish or I would know.

    A shameful and blatant lie. I’m not a member of ‘Facebook’ (which I leave to Attention Deficiters and General Bullshitters like Silkworm) or ‘Twitter’, ‘twatter’, ‘myspace’ or any of their even cheaper surrogates. Nor do I use these ‘media’ [cough!] in any way, shape or form.

  62. Adam:

    I’ve decided to address filth like you as little as possible, with exceptions. Here’s one:

    Gert, I have been reliably informed that some of your precious demonstrators have used antisemitic epithets against the counter demonstrators. In addition, several pf the pro demonstrators on this very blog have expressed the most outrageous racist and even genocidal comments, to your utter silence.

    What’s your source or evidence for this?

  63. Gert – unfortunately lacks the capacity to make an argument in an articulate fashion and so resorts to childish insults. The reference to stink bombs was ironical but of course lacking perception you fail to see it. There already is a stink that raised by the anti-Israel protestors – it has no foundation and compares with the Nazi boycott of Jewish establishments in the 30’s. No Palestinian was harmed in the production of Ahava products – in fact many of them benefit from the employment it provides – but of course alleviating the plight of the Palestinians is not the aim of anti-Ahava protestors is it? If it was there would be anti-Hamas protests wouldn’t there? However what we do have are the stinking epithets hurled both at the shop and the pro-Israel protestors which are plainly anti-Semitic in nature. Furthermore if you read my post I did not say the anti-Israel protestors were causing Jews to break the Shabbat but the owners of the shop, since the anti-israel protestors of course would choose Shabbat to protest since this ensures that the orthodox Jewish Community which is largely pro-Israel would be unavailable to counter demonstrate. If the shop was closed on Shabbat this problem would not arise and I daresay faced with a much bigger pro-Israel presence the cowardly anti-Israel brigade would turn tail and crawl back under the rock from where they came.

    • Nachman:

      You’re pretty crap at irony: Goldberg and Richard didn’t see your ‘irony’ either. Quite typical how you don’t berate them, huh?

      However what we do have are the stinking epithets hurled both at the shop and the pro-Israel protestors which are plainly anti-Semitic in nature.

      Proof, please. Or at least evidence. Since as in your one-dimensional world all AHAVA protesters are antisemites, it can come as no surprise that you see their utterings as antisemitic. It’s a form of confirmation bias. Circular thinking.

      As regards Hamas, you’ve landed at the right place: Millett has trouble uttering two words without one of them being ‘Hamas!’

  64. Gert
    there is a Gert Meyers on Facebook liking Flemish sounding stuff, so now I have registered that you are NOT the Gert Meyers on Facebook with the skin looking like its prone to pimple easily just as you do NOT intend to monetize your weblog.
    and of course you had NO intention to slander Jonathan Hoffman in your last post on your NOT to be monetized weblog. Now I just want your confirmation that you never ever insinuate or imply that anybody might be guilty by association which is one of your favourite terms when you can accuse your “foes” of doing it towards you but which you support and adore as soon as somebody like dirty Inky and despicable FRanne do the accusing.

    I am happy to notice that even as a hypocrite you are less than 3rd class (drittklassig)

  65. Adam
    in my experience Gert always asks other people for evidence while never ever answering a question or providing evidence himself.

    • Silkworm:

      ‘drittklassig’… I think you should stick to German. English doesn’t suit you very much.

      Re. the ‘Gert Meyers’ on facebook, please show me the link. Is it possible that this is an impostor created by you or your friends? I wouldn’t put it past you. ‘Gert Meyers’ is an unusual name, even in Flanders. If there really is another Gert Meyers and he has a facebook account I can assure you it is NOT me.

      It’s quite disgusting what lengths you want to go to, to try and find information about me, even if it turns out you find the wrong information, present it uncritically, yet feel pleased that ‘with the skin looking like its prone to pimple easily’ somehow would invalidate anything such a person would say. Your ideas of what makes people worthy or not has a distinct Herrenvolkish ring to it. You sure your not the daughter of a real Fascist?

      My opinion on Hoffie, in the context of this blogpost, is confirmed largely by his own non-denial. Click on the source link to Tony Greenstein’s post and read the comments. There’s some interesting gossip about Richard too.

  66. Daniel Marks

    I don’t live in the UK and am not up-to-date with British politics. Could somebody please explain to me what exactly is so dispicable about the EDL. I have looked over their website and have found nothing anti-semitic, Nazi or in any way particularly objectionable as an Israeli.

    Regarding their views about immigration to the UK and England’s losing it’s cultural character:

    1. Not living in Israel and having no vested interest, I have no opinion about the matter.
    2. From the little I know, it seems to me that while a few years ago just rasing the subject meant be labeled a Fascist, in the last election all parties saw this as an issue to be addressed.
    3. If someone wishes to demonstrate with me against anti-Semitic boycotts, do I have to agree with his views regarding all other issues?

    What ever happened to wonderful Arabic (also Chinese) proverb, “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.” Could 1.2 billion Chinamen and 260 million Arabs all be wrong?

    • Daniel:

      I don’t live in the UK and am not up-to-date with British politics. Could somebody please explain to me what exactly is so dispicable about the EDL. I have looked over their website and have found nothing anti-semitic, Nazi or in any way particularly objectionable as an Israeli.

      That’s because the only racism you’re interested in is antisemitism.

      The EDL are an offshoot of the BNP and are essentially advocating a ‘Britain for true Britons’. Their prime object of their ire is of course British Muslims. But if they were even remotely logical about it (and the BNP certainly was in the past) this would extend it to ‘Juden Raus!’

      So, for once, honest and even friendly advice: don’t dig a hole and if you’ve started, then stop digging now. Forget the EDL website for a minute and look up some critiques of the EDL, even critiques that have nothing to do with their new found-love of Zion.

      For a bit more background info, look at the EDL’s founding father, Paul Ray. His blog is here:

      http://lionheartuk.blogspot.com/

      Have a rummage through his archives. Among other things he believes Luton has been taken over by al Qaeda.

      Or search my blog for ‘Paul Ray’, ‘Lionheart’ (or ‘Chickenheart’ as I like to call him, on account of his attempt to seek ‘political asylum’ in the US)

    • I’ve seen an EDL website which portrays a Muslim woman as pregnant robot, with a belly rendered as a time bomb.

      That is unbelievably racist.

      There is nothing wrong with having a loyal local English identity. Or even supporting English succeding from the Union, since that is what Welsh and Scottish nationalists do.

      But the EDL are English nationalists of the most ignorant and bigoted sort. No Jew should associate with them. If they turn up on Monmouth Street. Ignore them. If they try to approach you, ignore them.

      There is no need to be aggressive, or even rude. There is no need to fight them. You do not have to prove anything to the anti-Ahava crowd. It is not your fault they turned up. If they ask you why do you not respond, and you feel the need to, explain that you cannot associate with them because of their racist views on Muslims in this country. Politely, but firmly.

      If Trannie Frankenstein (my politeness code goes out the window with ‘her’, I admit) claims that makes you EDL, she is a bigot cut from the same retarded cloth.

  67. Gert
    you with your abundance of unsubstantiated claims are in no position whatsoever to demand proof or evidence (heck what a language artist you are) of anybody who to the best of all our knowledge is a citizen with an unblemished record and thus by nature trustworthy.

  68. Daniel
    Could 1.2 billion Chinamen and 260 million Arabs all be wrong?

    in case Gert says so the answer is definitely yes

    how can you dare to doubt the word of Mr. eminent Expert himself?

    what are almost 1,5 billion people as compared to “our” Gert who, me thinks, still has an unanswered question from the other threads about “other countries”

  69. Daniel Marks

    Is this you Gert?

  70. Gert
    how really sweet of you to nickname me Silkworm, every time I read it my inner eye sees all the delicious fabrics that originate with that worm.

    What is your fourth language? Oh and I said less than drittklassig.

    The link to the Facebook Gert Meyers is in this thread and shows up on Google if you google “Gert Meyers” – as I keep no file on you, sometimes when I want to look up something in that excellent piece by melchettmike on you or your interview with the Pakistani website I do that via googling that way and so happened on the Facebook site – as that skin prone to pimple somehow suits the image I have of you, I can easily forgive myself for mistaking you especially with all these Flemish sounding favourites listed.

    As to your thinking me capable of setting up even a Facebook site for myself, you must have mixed up something. You are the geeky one whom I met on a site where my moniker was stolen. In psychiatry what you tried in your last comment is called projection and deemed to be a symptom of something approaching delusion. So be careful! Getting distracted a bit, taking up some gainful employment for example might cure it for you.

    thanks again for the silkworm – how wonderful to have a nickname that evokes beautiful stuff like this http://www.google.com/images?client=safari&rls=en&q=kimono&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1280&bih=633

  71. no Daniel you got it wrong, Gert says this is NOT him
    Do you know whether this is Dutch or Flemish?
    (also this poor guy who is NOT Gert likes poor Friedrich Nietzsche, I wonder why it’s always the crazy Germans who find fans easily)
    Het Eiland
    in de gloria
    Mag Ik U Kussen?
    Willy’s en Marjetten
    kulderzipken
    http://www.facebook.com/profile/pic.php?oid=AAAAAwAgACAAAAAK_K99RWBlfQpPZRCDWZ0hJCGAxe1TPehJbxuardGr3sfXR1HGV4_L7C_MnjLUCdwSeYEhHEPU_lbsj6EPnZDjlgiaSzHFIm8Ti-y0ewTG2RIrj1iT3uoGlGX-sTLD89rq&size=normal

  72. this is really really cute, Gert recommends his blog as a sound source of information – there is no thread where Gert is willing to show up where I don’t end getting laughs so good that no comedian can top them

    Gert btw there is a new blog where they are longing for you? Ask Daniel about it, maybe he’ll tell you, you might, mind you I’m promising nothing, but you might find some playmates there who may even consent to call you Herr Direktor.

    what is the fourth language you are fluent in? I distinctly remember that you wrote FOUR on melchettmike’s comment thread.

  73. Daniel:

    You know I don’t click on your childish links, so quite wasting you own time.

    More to the point:

    3. If someone wishes to demonstrate with me against anti-Semitic boycotts, do I have to agree with his views regarding all other issues?

    No, strictly speaking you are right about that. I suggest you contact Jonathan Hoffman and congratulate him for his collusion with an openly racist group, offshoot from an openly racist party, one that now also officially supports Israel, as Nick Griffin (BNP Party Fuhrer) so clearly, almost eloquently, stated on that now famed ‘Question Time’ episode (look it up).

    Undoubtedly there will be protestations from the German airhead from Schleswig-Holstein, whose knowledge of British politics would fit on the back of a very small stamp.

  74. You want to do childish, Baldrick, I mean Daniel? I can do that two if you like:

    Is this you?

  75. Silkworm:

    (also this poor guy who is NOT Gert likes poor Friedrich Nietzsche, I wonder why it’s always the crazy Germans who find fans easily)

    Nietzsche wrote some phenomenal stuff, sadly rather badly abused by your Nazi forefathers and in some cases by nutty conservatives.

    That facebook link is definitely NOT me. But it appears to be a Flemish person, judging very superficially by the beer he seems to be drinking.

  76. Gert
    trying to find personal data about me again? you miserable sleuth!
    I am not from Schleswig-Holstein, though that is a region which interests me a lot history-wise – did you know that there is practically no good history because the land changed hands so often?

    As you absolutely want to know where I am from – don’t you think this association would suit me a lot better?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walhalla_temple
    also I’d like to know more bout what you’ve found out about my Zionist husband you’ve fantasized about not so long ago.

    and what a lier you are, of course you click on every link, then brood about it for days, frantically search through all the encyclopedias you can think of and then come up with one of your weak-minded and not up to the task retorts.

    what is the fourth language you are fluent in? what is fluent by your standards?

  77. Gert
    don’t you think a Flemish guy should be a bit reticent about “associating” a German gal with her forefathers?

  78. ooops
    I forgot to ask:
    Gert, what is that fourth language you claim to be fluent in?

    amazing isn’t it that a man fluent in four languages seems to be unable to find employment? Could it be that nobody takes you on because you are overqualified? Actually, that isn’t as improbable as it sounds, there are many bosses who don’t like to hire a guy who is evidently ahead of them in parrot skills.
    Or is it the fault of the others who want somebody solid and realize during an interview that you are the kind who likes to mimic an educated person via vastly overblown language and thus say, very nice to have met you but thank you no

    btw I feel really deprived now! Have you stopped calling me Silkworm for good, airhead isn’t bad either, it makes me imagine a cool breeze clearing my thoughts, but of course compared to Silkworm it’s nothing.

  79. Silke:

    How many Jews did your grandparents gas, dear? Or were they still stuck in mass-shootings mode? And since as quite a few of these ex-Nazis now turn out to be Islamophobes, how do you plan to get rid of European Muslims? Surely the wirtshafstwunder must have come up with a more efficient solution than cremating? Turn them into small pellets to shoot into the sun perhaps, no trace left whatsoever?

    You want to do low and dirty? Anything you can do I can do better!

  80. For the record: I’m not unemployed.

  81. Fourth language? None of your business, dear. You don’t seriously think I’m giving up any information to a smear merchant like you? Don’t bother pleading: it’s non-negotiable…

  82. Wormairhead:

    don’t you think a Flemish guy should be a bit reticent about “associating” a German gal with her forefathers?

    Why, do want to swap numbers: GERMAN NAZIS compared to Flemish Nazi collaborators? May I remind you that my grandparents and parents toiled for four long years under OCCUPATION by your sleaze bag forefathers? Or possibly YOUR OWN FATHER!

  83. whether you CAN do dirty better than I can I very very very much doubt …
    whether I will decide to do it is a totally different decision to take

    in the meantime test me, if you feel like it …
    as you can do nothing really well, you’ll probably just give me good laughs, because keep in mind Gert, whatever you may come up with, others were there before you and they did it better – and surprise surprise it happens so that lots of the best regarded of them are my own co-citizens – have you forgotten, that since quite some time when it comes to airing our dirty laundry we are world champions?

    first hit on google, seems Belgians are a bit late in the game – you are born in about 1960, lets say your father was 25 at the time, that makes him being born in 1935, a bit young me thinks, so what about your grandfather? Anything solid known?
    Belgium opens old war wounds
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/belgium-opens-old-war-wounds-1167833.html

  84. Gert is not unemployed – so you took the job Daniel found for you? or is it that “between jobs” since at least March 2009 is not strictly the same as unemployed

  85. fourth language
    it was you who volunteered that info at melchettmike – since German it is not, at least from a fluent one I would expect better spelling skills, maybe it’s Dutch, probably no big deal for a Belgium or maybe it’s even luxemburgish. Do they claim to have a separate language?

  86. sorry no luck with my father

    he was so much of a subordinate that he landed himself straight away in one of the tougher spots on the Russian front

    interesting though, your family suffered under us Germans but still you chose not to pursue us but the Israelis – Gert, delusion when it really takes a hold is hard to get rid off – think of poor Nietzsche

  87. NAZICUNTWORM:

    Face it silkcunt, you’re the offspring of a NAZI. Since as having pimples seems to incriminate people in your bizarr-o-world, what must you think of being the offspring of a REAL NAZI?

  88. NAZICUNT:

    he was so much of a subordinate that he landed himself straight away in one of the tougher spots on the Russian front

    Did he get his balls cut off by a communist? Or did he manage to create that slimebag that is you before that fortunate event?

  89. oh Gertiebaby
    is that the best you can do?
    a bit weak in the imagination field aren’t you?
    you should do a bit of travelling in southern countries, they might teach you a thing or two

    but as my playmates have told me it is Sabbath now and you by yourself are always good for a good laugh albeit in a too predictable way I am off for today – from now on you are on your own
    what is your fourth language?
    and while we are at it when you are in loghorrea-mode do you do the excitement enhancement right, left or both-handed?

    I think I must ask on occasion melchettmike for further details on your Flemish family background.

  90. ooops I forgot to thank you

    silkcunt

    what a compliment – are you really into having wet dreams about me?

  91. NAZICUNT:

    I think I must ask on occasion melchettmike for further details on your Flemish family background.

    You should do that and see where it gets you: not a single member of my family were in any way, shape or form associated with Fascism, Nazis, Nazi Germany or Flemish or otherwise collaborators with the Nazi scumbags.

    You on the other hand have a low ranked NAZI FATHER. Marching in an army out to destroy the world and exterminate European Jewry and other undesirables. Yet pimples concern you a lot…

  92. It’s really rather amusing that for all the talk of antisemitism here, that we have just one deformed specimen that turns out to be the fruit of REAL NAZI loins. If you let me know where he’s buried, I’ll go and piss on his grave.

  93. Gert, so now I’m “filth”. Is that in addition to having “shit for brains” and being an “imbecile”, or does this now supercede the previous epithets?

    Gert, your use of foul language to express your hatred, calling Silke a Nazi because she’s German, and your general name calling is truly pathetic. You simply demean yourself. You show yourself to be an emotional Israel hater – i.e. you aren’t looking at this rationally, but rather with visceral and irrational hatred.

    You have simply shown who you really are.

    By the way, the sources you ask for – regarding the antisemitic epithets at the demo, this comes from someoen at the counterdemo. The other source is this very blog Gert, twi threads back. Go and have a look, and explain why you have no problem with your fellow travellers.

  94. Gert, Nazism and antisemitism are not hereditary – grow up.

  95. We don’t even know what Silke’s father thought anyway – you’re just lashing out like a wounded animal. get a grip.

  96. Adam:

    Gert, your use of foul language to express your hatred, calling Silke a Nazi because she’s German, and your general name calling is truly pathetic. You simply demean yourself.

    You haven’t been reading again, have you son? If Silke, Daniel et al feel they have the right to play low and dirty then why should I be deprived of this right? By that logic you too are a NAZI collaborator.

  97. Adam:

    By the way, the sources you ask for – regarding the antisemitic epithets at the demo, this comes from someoen at the counterdemo.

    So, pure hearsay. No evidence whatsoever. Ever heard of cui bono? No, not the singer, numpty…

  98. Adam:

    You have simply shown who you really are.

    What a schlemiel you are. Clearly only those on your side are allowed to dish it, huh? Well, I’ve had enough of NAZICUNT’s tactics, now she can get a taste of her own medicine…

  99. Gert, Nazism and antisemitism are not hereditary

    True. Unfortunately sheer stupidity is.

  100. Adam
    I don’t know much of what my father thought because he came back as a severely injured men who eventually after many unsuccessful tries committed suicide, not out of any remorse I think but because the pains from his head wound were unbearable. During his training period the story goes that he refused to greet a lieutenant with the words that he wouldn’t greet a drunken (besoffenes) pig, it landed him in jail and after that in a very unpleasant spot of Russia.

    He wasn’t a party member but that doesn’t prove neither this nor that. Anyway at the time there was a draft in Germany, not much an ordinary guy with no connections could do about it.

    But there is the story that when it was first known that my mother was pregnant he got a hold of some clothes for a two year old girl, frills and pink and all of it, and when my grandmother protested, but it maybe a boy, he said, no he wanted a girl because he didn’t want a gun to lie in the crib – his father had died in WW1 leaving his mother with four kids, she managed to remarry and I never found out but there are fotos of her on which she looks like having had some gipsy ancestry, which would explain a lot about myself to me (we did a lot of not talking in post war Germany)

    never mind Gert’s yelling – his straight out of Mills&Boon use of the word silk in a sexual context gives him away, just figure him furiously working out while fantasizing about me, albeit to no avail …
    Maybe his pimples are so bad right now, the missus can’t be persuaded …

  101. We don’t even know what Silke’s father thought anyway

    If I used that argument about a Nazi you’d be up in arms. Like I said: shit for brains…

    And an Englishman defending a Nazi? Hell should freeze over first.

  102. I don’t know much of what my father thought because he came back as a severely injured men who eventually after many unsuccessful tries committed suicide,

    Sheesh. Incompetent in death as well. Quite the character it seems.

  103. oh and Adam
    I am off now – have a nice weekend and enjoy yourself to your heart’s delight, may the weather be with you and everything else also

  104. You too Silke, have a good weekend! And thank you for being so candid about your family history – I am most interested in German post-war history.

    I would leave Gert to stew in his own venom. He is simply frothing at the mouth, and trying to hurt you, like the bully he is. Thta’s why he sides with the Israel bashers, he’s a bully by nature.

  105. Yeah, you too. And thanks for the useful information. Rest assured that it will be put to very good use.😉

  106. Gert, I have cited this very blog as evidence – how is that hearsay?

    Your behaviour and foul language shame you. You are acting like a child having a tantrum. Now you call me a Nazi as well – which is, if you knew my family histroy, simply obscene. Joking about such matters, or using it for cheap point scoring, belittles the war and the suffering. How low – and you know it.

    I would make the point that whenever anyone says anything about Flanders, you get extremely abusive and hurt. Yet you dish out the most awful lies and vitriol against Israel, and expect sweetness in return.

    I will not reply to you any more on this thread – you really are horrible. I don’t know what drives you hatred – but it is truly awful.

  107. Richard, is such language (as seen from Gert) to be tolerated on this blog?

  108. Gert will now brag forever that he has been banned – I’ll make sure I’ll keep the e-mails with the deleted stuff so whenever he should come up with the martyr thing there will be evidence – I hope you’ll do the same …

  109. Thanks Richard.

  110. You’re a coward, Richard. You remove filth that’s in response to filth but not the filth itself.

  111. Richard, Adam and y’all

    Gert as always doesn’t get nuance … and he wonders why he doesn’t find anybody willing to play, even the guys he seemed so friendly with at the blog where I met him first seem to do him the honour more than sparingly.

    in case you feel like a real cheer up I’d advise you to read this comment section at Gert’s.

    I always get real chuckles out of it when two guys are doing the touchy feely whining thing to eachother. Gert’s partner is the, I understand, well known to you wanna-be young Marlon Brando impersonator named Joe.

    Richard gets mentioned as Mr. Hamas.
    Presumably that’s supposed to signify something clever but as Gert has shown here today in his erased and not erased comments independent original ideas are not his forte which is not surprising given his overall a bit limited vocabulary which is amazing because normally multilingual people tend to have a vocabulary much bigger than average.

    … and the favourite hang-out of the day is Jews sans Frontières – I had a quick look, it seems to be another cut and paste blog – no wonder Gert digs it.

    http://developing-your-web-presence.blogspot.com/2010/08/we-do-not-obey.html

  112. I suggest you keep reading those email notifications, dear. Mine are saved too. As is this whole thread.

    Ibrahim sends his regards. He’s been traveling.

  113. oh Gert that’s really great news

    so I was right and you were wrong

    he hasn’t given up and will not give up
    do you know whether he will make his blog as exclusive as yours is?

    isn’t it amazing how afraid of dissent all anti-Israel blogs seem to be, with the exception of hitherto Fake Ibrahim of course.

    I am so glad to learn that you have become e-mail friends – I was really getting worried about your being lonelier and lonelier with every day.

  114. As regards your ‘subtlety’, how many more sexual references are you going to sneak in here? You seem to be accusing rather a lot of people of ‘fantasising’ about you. I’ve also been accused of ‘fantasising’ about your husband, when in reality I’ve made reference to him ONCE as the possible cause of your ‘interest’ in Zionism.

    Here’s the deal: you stop all ad hom about me and I will do exactly the same for you. This is an offer an honest person cannot refuse. So are you or are you not an honest person?

  115. Gert
    I once clerked for a very smart guy who said that one shouldn’t do business with unreliable people – I’ve taken that advice to heart and it has proved to be a good one
    in my book anybody who’d shake hands with you would do good to check his fingers afterwards. He/she also runs the risk of running a big water and heating bill from all the extra showers that become necessary unless somebody is as careful as I am.

    in my book you are not fit for polite company
    – period
    – but when I am in the mood to find you amusing, I consent to have fun at your expense
    – feel grateful for it, that’s the closest you’ll ever get to finding a playmate

    was that enough of a lack of references to your attraction to whatever you prefer in the sex-field? That tête-à-tête of yours with muscle Joe got me wondering whether you aren’t broader minded than I would have guessed you capable of.

    BTW I didn’t say that pimply Facebook Gert Meyers read Nietzsche – actually there are lots of wannabe intellectuals who may claim to like an author without ever having read him or her.
    As he is Flemish like you, what is that 2 finger gesture about?
    and what is your fourth fluent one?

  116. I see you don’t want peace, not even a cease fire. Fine. It’s noted.

  117. Hi Rich,
    Jonathan is getting all hot and bothered over some little girl from Co.Cork this week.

    Personally, I find that some of these young Israeli girls are not only very bvrave but- very attractive as well.

    http://december18th.org/

    That Miss Goldberg has classic Jewish or Israeli good looks !!!!!
    Pity she did not do her National Service- otherwsie Jonathan could have had a chance to wash her underwear when he was doing his “voluntary” service as a skivvy- non-combatant of course.

  118. Inky flag, your comment “liitle girl” shows that not only do you make silly snide comments about Israel, but you’re a misogynist as well.

    How lovely.

  119. Adam, the indefatigable defender of a racist ideology, always keen to try and call others racist.

    How lovely.

  120. Adam
    here’s yesterday’s world according to Gert

    I like the way he combines abuse and suffering in one sentence, while on the other hand I find his choice of the verb toil yesterday a wee bit vague, but so’s Gert as I know and cherish him, especially when he does the I am a manly whiner thingy that he gives me really good chuckling fits.

    The abuse that I’ve been suffering on some Zioblogs of recently is beyond belief. What’s more when I serve up some of their own medicine, some of my comments get deleted.

    http://developing-your-web-presence.blogspot.com/2010/08/we-do-not-obey.html#c5274718304324827785

  121. as Gert is trying the mysterious thing here is the story he is referring to https://richardmillett.wordpress.com/2010/08/16/the-battle-of-monmouth-street/#comment-2771
    and this is what he commented at 5:25 as to my father’s death
    Sheesh. Incompetent in death as well. Quite the character it seems.
    best vintage Gert I’d say. But this is about the height of originality he reached yesterday. I guess he will now try here his screaming stunt, part of which Richard erased and then later run home to his blog to whine about the abuse he is SUFFERING.
    As far as I’m concerned I don’t mind his kind of insults they fall into the category of “was kümmert es den Eichenbaum, wenn sich die Sau dran schuppert”=the oak tree isn’t concerned by the sow rubbing against it

  122. oh and one thing more I think Gert is yearning for a complaint filed at WordPress about him, I’d advise against doing him the favour. If you should consider him too much of a nuisance just erase him.

  123. Silke is one of those few people who don’t even understand elementary human psychology. In her world she can push people around, try and get under their skin (a practice she gladly concedes) but heaven forbid the other side ends up pushing back. Because that wouldn’t be fair now, would it?
    Of course sooner or later she’ll do the same in real life and that may be the point where no one ever hears from her again.

    In the mean time Silke’s ‘interest’ in Zionism remains of mysterious origin. I don’t really recall her ever make even a semblance of an argument in favour of it. Instead an endless, incontinent stream of ad hom, gossip, sexual references, fabrications, straw men, distortions, insults etc etc in what must amount to at HB and RM alone, to several hundred of these droplets of spittle.

  124. finally finally I am awarded the description “mysterious” – one more goal reached – to save you the trouble, I know that you don’t click Gert, you’ve said it twice in kind of one sentence, no need to repeat it

    and thanks for the hint that the beerglass that prone to pimples looking Facebook Gert is drinking from is Belgium – You must have had a real close look and given your age very good eyes. However I get told that that is a British glass, so maybe you, as is your habit jumped again to premature conclusions. But then prematurity is the overall impression I get the better I get to know you.

    And please don’t get depressed that I am so much your superior when it comes to bantering, maybe remembering that you are the geeky one and I am not prevents you from succumbing.

    http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT2d_kHc_NayDIhip4O0fc0x1GSD_CJjpLv3DbtF0yZD6fiwFQ&t=1&usg=__ORDM1Ym_UGYHCNLgewVhRIF0ibw=

  125. Gert – I see you have calmed down back to your usual obnoxious self. I thought you might explode the shameful way you were carrying on. You really need help – I mean, seriously – seek help – I could actually hear you screaming down the keyboard. You demonstrated that you would even stoop to use the Holocaust to score cheap points = now that’s about a low as you can get, and what’s more, you know it Gert.

    What racist ideology is that then? Do tell, o learned one.

    And from whom is Judea and Samaria “occupied”?

  126. However I get told that that is a British glass,

    Danny Boy mumbles and child believe it.

    If you had any decency at all, you’d ask my namesake if he was me. He isn’t and doesn’t own DYWP.

  127. What racist ideology is that then? Do tell, o learned one.

    An ideology that systematically discriminates against those having the misfortune of an accident at birth of not being born Jewish and systematically favours those who were so lucky.

    An ideology that systematically expropriates land from those with said misfortune, to give with those more lucky and belonging to the Jewish faith.

  128. and this is what he commented at 5:25 as to my father’s death

    No matter how you dice it or slice it your father was a Nazi. Since as guilt by association (and guilt by whatever, including it seems pimples or English beer glasses) is what you specialise in, what does that make you? The daughter of an incompetent Nazi. Enjoy.

  129. As regards the glass in question, it’s impossible to make out with complete certainty but in all likelihood it’s a glass for dark Trappist beer, half filled with, erm… dark Trappist beer. See what you made me do now? Click on one of Danny Boy’s obsessive email links!

  130. You should really join the 9/11 Troofers, they handle ‘evidence’ much the same way you do…

  131. Gertiebaby
    if you want to get a hold of my data you really must come up with a better incentive than that pimply looking Facebook Gert

    now if the boy were a real beauty and would promise to prove it?
    or no, I’ve never liked blond ones, they too often look like they might feel clammy to the touch

    other than that I feel sorry for you suffering through a bout of logorrhea must not be like a severe itch

    did you ever read this story what a constant itch can make you do? http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/06/30/080630fa_fact_gawande

    oops, I forgot you don’t click, the others don’t read it, it gives you nightmares.

    oh and had you clicked you would have realized that Daniel found a picture of you where you look much nicer than that Facebook Gert.

    “Suffering Abuse” that’s what really turns you on, doesn’t it, Gert – come on confess to Mommie, Mommie understands.

  132. That’s great Gert, I can happily confirm that I believe in no such ideology, because it doesn’t exist.

    Instead, I’m a Zionist.

  133. Gert, your posts to Silke show you are a complete scumbag, a lowlife who will stoop to use the Holocaust to score a point. meanwhile, now you mock suicide and Nazism, thus cheapening the seriousness of it.

    From whom is Judea and Samaria “occupied”? Whenever we get into specifics, you just can’t handle it, can you?

  134. ah ja and what about that fourth fluent language and the other countries you claim to speak out for or against and nobody has ever found anywhere.

    come to think of it a guy with 4 fluent languages plus computer geekyness plus some knowledge of chemistry not even 50 years old (albeit a bit immature) and at least since March 2009 i.e. 17 months “between jobs” – quite an accomplishment I’d say.

  135. I’ve never liked blond ones, they too often look like they might feel clammy to the touch

    Here’s a ‘thing’ that’s prejudiced about just about everything and proud of it too. I’ve known some thoroughly horrible Germans but you take the biscuit.

    oh and had you clicked you would have realized that Daniel found a picture of you where you look much nicer than that Facebook Gert.

    There are no pictures of me on the Internet. Not one. Not old, not young, not cached. None, period.

    And I don’t click.

    Was it before or after the Wannsee Conference incompetent Popsicle managed to get into Momsickle’s knickers?

    I’m fully employed. Never have been really unemployed. ‘Between projects’, yes, but you wouldn’t understand that…

    That’s great Gert, I can happily confirm that I believe in no such ideology, because it doesn’t exist.

    Listen numpty, even the few committed (Israeli) Zionists that I know personally accept that enormous discrimination against Palestinians and Christians goes on, on many levels.

    now you mock suicide and Nazism, thus cheapening the seriousness of it.

    Since as you STILL don’t get it, it’s called ‘playing the Devil’s advocate’. But since as you don’t get the game, that makes you a Nazi sympathiser. Perhaps you could join the EDL, they’re Zionists too…

  136. Instead, I’m a Zionist.

    Music to my ears. Shame they can’t all be dumb f*cktards like you…

  137. ‘Music to my ears. Shame they can’t all be dumb f*cktards like you…’

    Which means that, in your view, they aren’t, presumably.

  138. Conchovor
    I like your style
    it’s like a breath of fresh clean sweet air

    I hope you’ll find the time to dole out to Inky also

  139. Gert
    I read your take on (not actually) what happened on the Israeli/Lebanese border a few weeks ago and I have to say I really pity the poor guy whose rancid drop brought you into the world.

  140. Gert, now now, don’t do what you did yesterday and get all hot and bothered.

    As Conchover points out, that’s not what you intended to say anyway.

    Don’t you realize Gert – we’re laughing at you?

  141. Gert, from whom is it “occupied”?

    Still thinking?

  142. Conchovor:

    Which means that, in your view, they aren’t, presumably.</blockquote.

    That is entirely correct, Conchovor.

  143. Conchovor:

    Which means that, in your view, they aren’t, presumably.

    That is entirely correct, Conchovor.

  144. Adam:

    Your take on Zionism is that of a football hooligan: like a football hooligan you choose a side, totally arbitrarily, because you’re not interested in the game or how your side plays. Your main interest is in that small bulge that arises in your kiddy panties when you can utter the magic word: “antiiiseeemiites!”

    You come to the debating table ‘like a virgin, touched for the very first time’, never having heard a counter-argument for your ‘thesis’ ever.

    Occupation? What Occupation? There’s administration (of the re-aligned territories?) with some kind leasing of (a few!) settlements… Nothing more.

  145. Tell me, Mizz Silke, when your Nazi Popsicle finally managed to blow his brains out, did he also p**p** his p*nties? Must have been a fine sight to behold. Nice memory too. Enjoy!

  146. Adam

    I somehow think Gert has reached the stage where whatever he imbibes has impaired his geek-abilities.

    and isn’t it cute how he decorates his coo- cooing with dainty little stars?

    I think describing him as an arrested adolescent would make him look like more of an adult than he is.

    Oh and while I am at it – a heartfelt welcome at the other blog from me also – I am so honoured to have learned that you have taken the trouble to subscribe.

    Masochism when one doesn’t have the means to satisfy the craving by buying hidings the usual way surely makes one do strange things. Whining on your own blog about the “abuse” you are “suffering” while at the same time hurrying like an eager terrier to one where you know for sure you’ll “suffer” nothing but.

    well, it’s just another case of human nature being what it is

  147. […] while at the same time hurrying like an eager terrier to one where you know for sure you’ll “suffer” nothing but.

    About the latter, we’ll have to see. If it’s a pure abuse-fest, my subscription won’t last long. If anyone is willing to debate with an open visor then count me in. I know it won’t be you.

  148. Gert, hardly. The assumptions you make are astonishing, and not the hallmark of an independently thinking, and certainly not an intelligent, critically thinking, human being. I did not choose a side arbitrarily. I am not Jewish, and had no reason to choose to be a Zionist. I chose to support Israel becaude, again unlike your assumtions, I was exposed to a lot of anti-Israel arguments which didn’t make any logical sense. I explored further, read a lot, and came up with my own thoughts. You should try it sometime.

    You write incoherent and meaningless rubbish – and are rendered into a blancmange when fielded a question. Instead, you resort to abusive language – you have called me “filth”, “Shit for brains”, “imbecile” “Nazi” “Racist” “f*ckwit” and various other low forms of expression. This is hardly the sign of someone confident in their own arguments. And anything to avoid questions of substance, eh?

    I have asked you about the racism of your fellow travellers on this blog. Not only did you stay silent when such antisemitism appeared, when it is drawn to your attention, you continue to ignore it, instead resorting to more foul language and moronic drivel. And your repeated inability to answer a basic question – from whom is Judea and Samaria occupied – shows you are just a lot of hot air – and that you cling to judgments based on ignorance.

    You are a very sad man Gert. I actually feel sorry for you. You must have a very sad and empty life, full of vitriolic hatred to make you feel something – anything.

    I’m off to bed now and won’t be able to read the blog tomorrow, (some of us work and make money), so any moronic epithets you come up with won’t be read, so go to town and enjoy your hatred. You’ll be talking to yourself, which is what you appear to be good at.

    Sad.

  149. Silke, I don’t know which blog you mean, I haven’t subscribed to a new one recently.

    Anyway, have fun! I know you will (!)

  150. If anyone is willing to debate with an open visor then count me in

    LOL
    anybody debating you with an open visor will find his face subjected to a barrage of clumps of “p**p**” of the most evil smelling kind the moment he/she dares to contradict you.

  151. Adam
    misunderstanding
    it is Gert who has subscribed to the Speaker’s corner on this blog

    http://ruth33.wordpress.com/

    right now he seems to have high hopes that he will be able to do a lot of strutting there – so when you feel like it just have a peak, I feel sure you’ll be welcome …

  152. Adam:

    I explored further, read a lot, and came up with my own thoughts.

    You’re not capable of ‘own thoughts’.

    Why, what did you read, son? Joan Peters’ ‘From Time Immemorial’? In which the noble Zionist Herrenvolk reconquered the empty Palestine, only to be beset upon by a horde of Darkish non-Judeo-Christians, out to steal the Jewish State and drive the Jews into the sea?

    As regards the epithets, go back to when we first met and see who started with the ‘Jew hater’ nonsense. Even your laments about ‘demeaning Nazis’ are risible since as you started bringing up Flemish Nazis right from the start, with the stated intention of insulting me. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

    What you’ve read is probably as historically accurate as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Early Zionist mythology, of the kind any emerging Nationalism produces.

    Alternatively, a la Jewlie Burchill, you watched a documentary about the Holocaust when you were about 5 and you made up your mind. And now no one can confuse it with the facts…

    Hatred? You really aren’t worth it. Chickenshitzio…

  153. actually I think on this thread the honour of having come up with the Flemish question belongs to me and as Gert has made clear his grandfather and father “toiled” under the occupation.

    That choice of word is a bit unusual as none of my co-Europeans has ever been shy to tell me in detail what they suffered from my ancestors, in fact they were always eager to be very specific …

    but of course Gert is way too much the gentleman to embarrass me by bringing up details.

  154. Silke:

    As opposed to your wonderfully constructed ‘banter’?

  155. Daniel Marks

    Could somebody remind me what the topic of this page is.

    I asked several questions about the EDL, but received what I considered to be unsatisfactory replies. My next question is why do we agree to our enemies dehumanizing anybody who wants to support us, and then complain that we have no friends?

    If I choose to judge Abu Mazen by the Palestinian Covenant, I’ll be told to judge him by what he says and by his actions. The same goes for the Hamas. In the same way, if the EDL say NOTHING anti-Israel or anti-Semitic, but actually want to support me, why should I alienate them?

    In the Second World War Roosevelt and Churchill joined with Joseph Stalin to fight Nazism. Had they only fought with people who shared their views in every matter, they’d have sent no arms to the USSR, Hitler would have defeated Stalin and probably won the war. Stalin was the incarnation of all evil and ultimately responsible for the murder of more innocent people than Hitler himself, but the Allies fought with him.

    Surely the whole point of “The Enemy of my Enemy is my Friends” is in the case when the “Friend” is not the kind of person we’d usually be friends with.

    I would draw the line at cooperating with anti-Semites, anti-Zionists and Post-Zionists. When it comes to potential allies’ sexual preferences, religious beliefs, views about UK politics etc which are all unrelated to the Ahava demonstration, I say, “Live and let live.”, “Beggars can’t be choosers” “Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth” and all other relevant clichés.

    • ‘views about UK politics etc which are all unrelated to the Ahava demonstration’

      If you think that, you’re an idiot. Actively cooperating or expressing support for the EDL is suicide. They are Islamophobic racists. To ally with that is to bring opprobrium upon yourself which is self-defeating and potentially deadly.

      You don’t have to fight them. You don’t have to drive them away. They have as much right to demonstrate anywhere as anyone else. But you do not actively encourage it or express sympathy of support.

      What are British Jews doing cooperating with Neo-Crusader venerators of the St George that slaughtered thousands of Jews when he had the chance, while his fellow crusaders slaughtered many more across Europe?

      If the EDL stop being racists and haters of Islam and Muslims (unlikely), that could change. But the time is not now.

  156. “not a single member of my family were in any way, shape or form associated with Fascism, Nazis, Nazi Germany or Flemish or otherwise collaborators with the Nazi scumbags.”

    Making up for lost time, eh, Ghastly?! See you in Bridlington . . . very, very soon!

    Silke, any message you’d like me to pass on to him?

  157. melchettmike

    tell him in any way you like that the non-German co-Europeans of my age cohort were a lot better in every possible respect at insulting me because of my ancestry.

    I am referring of course to the time before any of them became aware that not all of their countrymen/women had been active members of the résistance. Only to members or supporters of the résistance I would happily concede the right to call me names in Gert’s not up to scratch style.

    Oh and I’d also dearly really dearly like to know what meaning Gert meant to get across when he wrote “toiled” under the occupation of my ancestors. I have toiled for decades of my life under American occupation, official and de facto, and there was nothing I together with lots of other Germans deplored more than their massive exodus in the run-up to operation desert storm and thus the thinning out of the wonderful occupation.

    All of my above co-Europeans had no qualms about telling me stories of sufferings of their family from Germans in the most vivid details. Knowing Gert the way I do I find his sudden restraint in expressing himself a bit headscratch inducing weird.

    Either here or somewhere else Gert informed that he had one of these war reporter vests and in it was a small pistol which he wanted to use to shoot you between the eyes. I find that a statement a bit on the crude side, would you tell him that from me. I keep telling him that he isn’t fit for polite company but he refuses to polish his manners, learn about nuances or anything else in that field. I’d forgive him all that if he weren’t such a lousy seriously unfunny wise-cracker on top of all that.

  158. Don’t know that I am intending to talk to him that much, Silke! We’ll be too busy with our “ice creams” . . . and, if I am making the effort, I hope to meet his lucky missus too!

  159. melchettmike
    you aren’t trying to say that you’ll touch him?
    I mean having actual skin contact with the man?
    and beware of that pistol, he seems mighty proud of the toy.

  160. Daniel:

    I asked several questions about the EDL, but received what I considered to be unsatisfactory replies.

    I think you’re making this unnecessarily complicated.

    While our side will poke ruthless fun at Hoffie and his ‘association’ with the EDL, the truth is that the BZF has tried repeatedly to distance itself from the EDL, they’re just not doing a great job of it.

    It would be like a pro-Palestinian group associating with a antisemitic group. In reality that happened with the Palestine Think Tank (or the Palestine Stink Tank as we call them), by their association with Gilad Atzmon, Mary Rizzo and some fellow traveling Holocaust deniers.

    As regards your analogy with the USSR, Stalin’s real crimes came to light much later. Communism in itself isn’t a crime.

  161. Silke:

    Oh and I’d also dearly really dearly like to know what meaning Gert meant to get across when he wrote “toiled” under the occupation of my ancestors. I have toiled for decades of my life under American occupation, official and de facto, and there was nothing I together with lots of other Germans deplored more than their massive exodus in the run-up to operation desert storm and thus the thinning out of the wonderful occupation.

    Nothing like a complete nincompoop to make a gaffe the size of the Golden Gate Bridge, when for once she tries to be serious.

    Firstly, your sleazebag ancestors, including Popsicle ‘please don’t make me chew my own balls, Comrade!’ Silke, started the war and even more stupidly wanted to fight till the bitter end. For that, after the War, Germany had to be thoroughly transformed. And while occupied, we rebuilt it. There’s a British saying that ,we won the war but you won the peace’.

    You’re a first class scumbag just for bringing this up. Perhaps Nazism really does run in families? Does your Jewish husband know what you’re writing here?

  162. Stalin’s real crimes came to light much later.

    häh??????????

    ooops I forgot at which level of knowledge Gert vegetates.
    or rather with his general warped view of the world having him define what he calls “real crimes” might be interesting in case somebody is willing to ask for the drivel such a question will let loose.

  163. Sebastian Haffner said that the Nazis had such an easy time of it picking the communists and socialists off because they couldn’t get their act together i.e. they were more interested in fighting eachother on policy and thus could be picked of small group by small group.
    What Conchovor says about the EDL might that not apply to some of the Christian right in the US? Similar arguments are made about their support for Israel in German newspapers.

  164. When I hear Germans like Silke, one realises that the possible resurgence of another malevolent German Nationalism should not be taken too lightly. Don’t make us lay waste to your lands again! 3 – nil would really be too embarrassing.

  165. Gert
    when it comes to you I don’t TRY to be serious and when I am serious you’ll be the last to realize it while it’s perfectly clear to everybody else.

    but this is interesting news, you are a British citizen? not a Belgian of the Flemish variety? who seems to have no family horror tales to share except that they “toiled” under occupation? Is that family experience of “toiling” the reason why you were “between jobs” in March 2009?

    and I did not “toil” under British occupation, I “toiled” under American one (i.e. I was gainfully employed), which was quite a difference at the time i.e. I lived like the Made im Speck (worm in lard)

    as to the price Brits paid for their victory I witnessed that with horror and empathy with my very own eyes when you had probably not even yet reached age in which pimples tend to break out.

  166. Don’t make us lay waste to your lands again!

    “us”??????
    next you’ll tell us that at heart your ancestors have been resistance fighters while a bit higher up in the thread they “toiled” under occupation?

  167. Only to members or supporters of the résistance I would happily concede the right to call me names in Gert’s not up to scratch style.

    Why is that, dearest? Because ordinary folk who don’t want war don’t have the right to be non-occupied? Only those who join the resistance have that right? Well, in that case Popsicle didn’t have the right to complain about being drafted into the German Army either. He had other possibilities if he really wanted too, did he not? Your people chose to march blindly behind a psychopath, bar some brave exceptions… Popsicle Silke wasn’t one of the latter. I’d stop bleating about the resistance, if I was you, you shamelessly resemble Popsicle far too much…

  168. What my ancestors did or did not do under the occupation is none of your business. Your fishing trips won’t get you anywhere.

    I see that Popsicle ‘A taste of my own balls!’ Silke is getting under your skin. Good.

  169. as to the price Brits paid for their victory I witnessed that with horror and empathy

    You? EMPATHY? A narcissistic piece of crapola that lives for playing low an dirty????

  170. Daniel Marks

    “As regards your analogy with the USSR, Stalin’s real crimes came to light much later. Communism in itself isn’t a crime.” – Gert

    Yes, but that is an anachronistic perspective in the sense that you’re applying values and judgments of 2010 to a wholly different historical context.

    Churchill definitely saw Communism as being far worse than a crime, the scourge of humanity. After the revolution he sent troops, arms, money and everything he could in order to support the White armies and to bring about the downfall of the Communist regime. Incidentally, I was recently amazed to discover that one of his main reasons for supporting Zionism in the 1920s was because he thought that Jews would choose it over Communism, which he at one point saw as being a Jewish movement.

    The fact that being a Communist is no crime in 2010 is irrelevant for the purposes of the analogy. Churchill saw world Communism as a threat to the British Empire and the future of mankind, but allied himself with its leaders in his war against a worse danger.

    Incidentally, to the best of my knowledge being a member of the EDL is no crime either. Were it, I have no doubt that a complaint would be made and charges brought.

    So my questions still stand. They are directed not so much at you a Belgian “Panty- Delight” as at UK Jews and Zionists.

  171. Silke:

    What Conchovor says about the EDL might that not apply to some of the Christian right in the US? Similar arguments are made about their support for Israel in German newspapers.

    Wow. Careful with that, love. You might be losing some of your fanbase here. The last time I called AIPAC for embracing the antisemtic nut John Hagee and his twenty million CUFIs, I got an earful from Danny Boy for that…

    You are, to be clear, right about that.

    • Gert
      getting it all wrong I didn’t say I said it I said German media said it, but that getting nuance and noticing differences is not your forte as everybody knows by now.

      btw why are you so obsessed with popsicles – wasn’t there something that melchettmike would do to you with a popsicle and which gets you by now in a state where you can only think popsicle, popsicle, popsicle and cling to your little gun, hoping that it will save the day for you while once again “they” are all spamming around you.

  172. Interesting how Ghastly is now coming up with stereotypes similar to those which caused him to spit his dummy out after reading this . . .
    http://melchettmike.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/hating-the-french-racist-or-merely-human/

    The difference, however, is that – appreciate my humour or not (and over a quarter of a million visitors “can’t be wrong,” Ghastly . . . unlike your piss poor excuse for a blog!) – my piece was clearly written in jest.

    Ghastly, on the other hand, like most of his sad ilk, is just a fucking hypocrite with zero integrity.

    Get yer gun ready, Ghastly . . . you know where I’m gonna stick it!

  173. Danny:

    Yes, but that is an anachronistic perspective in the sense that you’re applying values and judgments of 2010 to a wholly different historical context.

    Churchill definitely saw Communism as being far worse than a crime, the scourge of humanity.

    Which made Churchill an anti-Communist but doesn’t say much about Communism itself.

    Incidentally, to the best of my knowledge being a member of the EDL is no crime either.

    Nobody said it was.

    If you didn’t get Conchovor’s point, you’ll never get it. Perhaps that’s no surprise coming from someone who sees I/P as a religious conflict. The EDL are on your side in that case.

  174. Belcher:

    my piece was clearly written in jest.

    You stated on two separate occasions on this blog that you hated the French.

    My spoof of your piece in which I replaced ‘French’ with ‘Jews’ or ‘Jewish’ was humorous. I didn’t see anybody laugh. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. You’re a typically middle aged, pot bellied English Francophobe. You can take the British Jew to Israel but you can’t take the British Francophobe out of the British Jew.

  175. Ooops.

    Belcher:

    my piece was clearly written in jest.

    You stated on two separate occasions on this blog that you hated the French.

    My spoof of your piece in which I replaced ‘French’ with ‘Jews’ or ‘Jewish’ was humorous. I didn’t see anybody laugh. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. You’re a typically middle aged, pot bellied English Francophobe. You can take the British Jew to Israel but you can’t take the British Francophobe out of the British Jew.

  176. Belchy:

    The difference, however, is that – appreciate my humour or not (and over a quarter of a million visitors “can’t be wrong,” Ghastly . . . unlike your piss poor excuse for a blog!) – my piece was clearly written in jest.

    Failures always have to blag. 250,000? Over 50 years?

  177. Belchy…

    Interesting how Ghastly is now coming up with stereotypes similar to those which caused him to spit his dummy out after reading this . . .

    Had you actually read the thread in instead of like a typical Sun reader only half the headline, you would know that what I’m doing here is called ‘playing the devil’s advocate’. I am playing Silke’s game, in other words. There seem to be an abundance here that believe this crackpot can say anything she wants and that her targets are supposed to take it lying down, possibly thanking her for the insults and much worse besides that.

    The minute she stops cackling about me, that very second I stop too. Again, read upstairs, you barstool…

  178. Silke:

    Backpedaling already?

  179. melchettmike
    thanks for posting that link to your French piece, so I finally got around to reading the piece, what a breath of fresh air and delight and the counter is up to 250.001 ?

    Much to my regret I must state though that you have had nothing to say about the modern French novel and the deplorable habit that they don’t eat breakfast. At least they didn’t when I lived in Paris where I was known as the crazy German for my habit of enjoying a baguette au Gruyère on my way to the office.

    I must say one thing in favour of the French though. One of the nicest people I’ve ever had the good luck to come across in my life I met in the Paris office I worked in. His last name was Cohen and thank to all that is good in heaven he had survived. He was patient and friendly, for ever helping me get a grip on the language and he probably had even more unfriendly things to say about the French than you do, only he wasn’t joking.

  180. Gert
    I understand there are classes who teach even those advanced in years like you are how to read.

    Backpedaling from you?

    watch out you are suffering from a bout of megalomania

    and you are getting a bit boring
    unless one of the others shows up again I’m out of here

  181. Daniel
    Orwell knew what to think of Stalin’s Russia with perfect clarity at the latest while in Barcelona during the Spanish Civil War and he was not the only one.
    That it wasn’t known is BS of the kind they say these days about the poor terrorists who can’t help themselves

  182. That it wasn’t known is BS of the kind they say these days about the poor terrorists who can’t help themselves

    What they say about terrorists is that terrorism doesn’t arise out of a vacuum.

    If you tried to separate the ‘serious’ from the trivial, people would know what you’re on about. Most here don’t care, don’t read. Many can’t.

    You remain lucky to have outlets like HB and RM that tolerate what would be banned on many a chatline.

  183. Yes, but that is an anachronistic perspective in the sense that you’re applying values and judgments of 2010 to a wholly different historical context.

    Churchill definitely saw Communism as being far worse than a crime, the scourge of humanity.

    “Which made Churchill an anti-Communist but doesn’t say much about Communism itself”

    I’ll try once more, then we’ll leave it. This is not a question that we have to disagree about, or that I have to beat you up over. I’m sure that your view, in this case, is much closer to that of many Anglo-Jews than mine.

    My point was that Churchill allied himself with his enemy (Communism) on seeing a worse evil (Fascism).

    You replied that this analogy was incorrect as being a Communist is not a crime.

    I said that TO CHURCHILL it was, but despite that he allied himself with it.

    You then replied that the fact that Churchill saw Communism to be a crime, didn’t make it so.

    Again, I’m trying to be adversarial here, but to talk to your sense. Actually, your opinion is not what I sought as much as that of an Anglo-Jew who refuses the support of the EDL.

    The two groups of non-Jews who support Israel today in a most loyal way are Right Wing Europeans and Fundamentalist Christians. For reasons that I think I understand, but would like to hear confirmed, we choose to ostracize both these groups and treat anyone who want to help us as being barmy. It’s as if we are saying that we have so little belief in our own cause that anyone who agrees with us must be mad.

    On the other hand we are prepared to waste great amounts of time and resources trying to explain ourselves (apologize) to Left wing and Liberal groups to absolutely no positive effect.

    Once again Gert, as a Panty-Delight, your opinion is hardly really of consequence here. What do I care whether someone who thinks that the very existence of the State of Israel is a mistake thinks that Zionists should or shouldn’t be cooperating with the JDL. My argument is not with you but with my Jewish brothers in London.

    There are many things that we can discuss, and I am always happy to duff you up, but not over this issue.

  184. Oh Dannenbaum, oh Dannenbaum…

    Daniel, if you still can’t see the light Re. EDL/BZF then I must congratulate you for working for our side from now on. Trust me that we are used to working with increasing numbers of defectors! We might make Adamtje into a man someday too…

    So, on your next trip to Albion, I want to see you and the EDL charging into an ‘antisemitic’ gather. Take charge, show leadership…

    ‘Aantiiiseeemiites!’ he charged, leading his Christian EDL brigade into battle with ‘Onwards Christian Islamophobes, let us cure Luton from its Moooslim scourge!!!’, adding ‘Israel uber Alles!!!’…

  185. The one up here isn’t in direct response to your last. Wait one minute.

  186. Daniel
    just to add to your picture of Churchill
    I admire him for after he has been through lots of complexities of a case he quite often comes up with a simple maxime by which to decide on where he takes his stand.
    That said his WW1 series of books left me with the impression that with the Russian leaders the event that did it for him was the murder of the tsar – from all I hear it seems to me that history knowing Brits are still not really at peace with the fact that they once beheaded their king and for Churchill being the man he was the Russian leadership had lost his respect/esteem/consideration once they had killed the tsar. That was beyond the pale for him. As to going together with Russia I think there is nobody absolutely nobody he wouldn’t have teamed up with to save “his” island from Hitler.

  187. Daniel Marks

    A frequently used Gertism is when he runs out of facts or rational thoughts to go absolutely berserk, rolling around in the gutter like a madman. The above posting is as good an illustration of this technique as any.

    Gert’s hope is that his opponent will then launch into a furious exchange of insults and swearing. Even if Gert has little knowledge and mediocre intellectual tools, when it comes to being a filthy guttersnipe he’s as good as any.

    Therefore, I shall ignore his last outburst and ask again whether anyone out there can answer my questions. They were not rhetorical, and I openly acknowledge that in matters relating to Anglo-Jewry and their relations with Gentile groups I know very little.

  188. connect this to all Gert has said about my ancestry on this thread and you have the perfect picture

    “‘Israel uber Alles!!!’”

    isn’t there something in the blogosphere that forbids the threat of physical violence and threatening to shoot a pistol between sombody’s eyes can certainly not be interpreted as irony even by the most generous reading?

    Is it worth to file a complaint? Would that be passed on to Google and thus damage Gert’s blog or remain restricted to WordPress?

  189. Dannenbaum:

    The two groups of non-Jews who support Israel today in a most loyal way are Right Wing Europeans and Fundamentalist Christians. For reasons that I think I understand, but would like to hear confirmed, we choose to ostracize both these groups and treat anyone who want to help us as being barmy. It’s as if we are saying that we have so little belief in our own cause that anyone who agrees with us must be mad.

    The most barmy of the Fundamentalist Christians, is CUFI (Christians United for Israel), led by the madman John Hagee. Hagee claims support of some 20 million but in all seriousness its probably 2 million. That’s a HUGE number even by Meircan standards. Why is he/they barmy? Because he supports Israel? Because he financially supports WB settlements? No, not really: both are wicked but not barmy.

    Hagee, however, is a proponent of End of Days Christianity and it doesn’t get much crazier than that. Hagee has claimed that the anti-Christ will be a Jewish homosexual man in his thirties. For Hagee, Israel (well, Meggido!) will be the Final Battlefield: when the next Messiah comes CUFI will claim it’s Christ II and then all Jews will have to convert presto or burn forever. No rapture for you lot!

    In other words, Hagee is a religious fantasist and demagogue.

    Still, better support from CUFI than from EDL, I guess. At least CUFI is very effective at fund raising, the EDL couldn’t organise a piss-up in a brewery (much as they’d love that idea!)

  190. Daniel Marks

    Silke,

    I have no wish to make any complaints about Gert or in anyway restrict his freedom of expression.

    This is both because I have always sincerely believed in free speech, even, especially for the Gerts of this world and because I believe nothing does more good for the cause of Zionism than having barmy foes.

    There are many powerful logical arguments against Israel and Zionism, but Gert seems to know none of them. The average “undecided” reads a posting like the one he posted at 8:02 and says, “If that’s what anti-Zionism has to say, then forget it.” It is for precisely that reason that I invited Gert to take an active part in our excellent blog.

    “With enemies like that, who needs friends”

  191. Gert
    as usual strong on assertions and weak on information

    Daniel
    Hagee is not the only one

    as I read it there are lots of Israel supporting Christian churches in the US, also I’ve read somewhere that despite Luther protestants in general are less “ambiguous” to Jews the reason for that presumably that the “old” testament is a lot dearer to them than to Catholics.
    Yes and some “evangelicals” hold millennial beliefs but those have been around in one version or another almost as long as Christianity exists.

  192. Daniel
    I agree with you on free speech and that Gert’s “offerings” make anybody disagreeing with him worthy of the highest esteem

    but even with the Gerts of this world there is a limit and that is when he credibly threatens to kill somebody.

    However, as this probably wouldn’t result in him getting denied internet access once and for all and everywhere or any other drastic action there is not much use in it.
    Just because somebody is as ridiculous as Gert is doesn’t prove that if he yells “I kill you” he is not willing to do what he claims he wants to do.

  193. Daniel Marks

    Funnily enough, I’m not that scared of Gert and though unemployed (or maybe not) Bridlington chemists are generally considered to be a formidable lot, I think I’ll be okay.

    He, on the other hand has every reason to fear a certain mutual friend with a well documented liking for ice-cream, who is currently looking for a cheap ticket to Heathrow.

  194. but even with the Gerts of this world there is a limit and that is when he credibly threatens to kill somebody.

    Typical Silke. She can write anything, then claim it’s a joke. Others don’t have that right. Which part of the word ‘pellet’ didn’t you understand, dear?

  195. Daniel
    say hello to that popsicle friend of yours and suggest to him to read for inspiration also what Gert fantasizes several times almost feverishly about Russians*) having done to my father which he with his incredibly highly evolved intellect chose to call a popsicle also. I think that this is a sure indication that he has a popsicle obsession.

    None of the guys I knew who made it through dreary office hours with a look at a lad’s magazine from Denmark or so off and on has ever shown any inclination to resort to fantasies about popsicles. So maybe Gert isn’t quite as unoriginal as I keep thinking he is.

    *) I very much object to his insulting WW2 Russians

  196. Dannenbaum:

    There are many powerful logical arguments against Israel and Zionism, but Gert seems to know none of them.

    I have made all of them, probably without exception. But not here. That would be impossible. That’s where the Silkes and the Adams come into it, you see? Trolls whose main purpose is to disrupt debate by any means and at any cost. Ziobulshitters like you then stand by and applaud…

    Silke is almost professional about it, see also her droning ‘threadjacking’ at The Hasbara Buster.

    Zionism is a failed, morally bankrupt ideology with few arguments left. Those who do actually have something worthwhile to say firmly believe in Israel’s need to change course if it wants to survive. 60 years is a blip.

    When it finally dawns on Dannenbaum he’ll be too busy singing the National anthem and claiming with Nick K that ‘Israel lives!’ Like that other one in the bunker…

    Re. freedom of speech? Much of what goes on here should be deleted including much of mine. Millett seems to believe that any support is good support. A bit like Danny and the EDLers…

    Daniel: one final appeal to your possible intelligence. If you cannot understand what Conchovor says is right then you are indeed objectively speaking an idiot.

    Re your new blog, with ‘unlimited free speech’ it is doomed to fail. ‘Free’ speech has limits, everyone knows that. Good luck nonetheless…

  197. Silke:

    *) I very much object to his insulting WW2 Russians

    No one is insulting WW II Russians. They Russian who made your Popsicle chew on his own balls deserved a medal and instant promotion. It’s a shame the practice didn’t catch on…

  198. Daniel Marks

    Silke,

    I beg you not to be upset about any of the disgusting, sick things that Gert has said about your family. They say nothing about you, but everything about the kind of mind that could have dreamed them up.

    We will not stoop to his guttersnipe level. I don’t believe we could, even if we tried.

    Your friend

    Daniel
    Daniel

  199. We will not stoop to his guttersnipe level.

    You and your choirboys do so all the time.

  200. Daniel
    with ‘unlimited free speech’ it is doomed to fail
    on none of the pro-Israel blogs where I visit or am a constant there has ever been a problem when one of the Gerts of this world showed up, even when they came in a crowd to fight it out for Greensomething they didn’t get anywhere – the crowd who comments on those blogs is way too smart, well read and articulate to let itself get outmaneuvered like Gert and his buddies let it happen to them at Fake Ibrahim’s.
    Anyway other than Gert I believe that the medal for silencing Mr. Miraya isn’t due to my banters but due to the fact that through lots of trial and error and last but not least reading I found a chink where I could drive in a wedge. Let’s hope that I am right. Mr. Miraya is a totally different caliber from foaming at the mouth carpet biting bullet-pointing Gert. His minor blog has been picked up by at least one of the real big and real evil ones who inexplicable though it is seem to have a real and numerous following lapping up their lies.

    before signing of for the night here is a piece I just read which by its sheer soberness and sense of down to earth reality made the sun shine for me even though the subject of it is not pretty. I got it from some blog or mailing list but I don’t remember which.

    Will an IDF Withdrawal from the West Bank
    Mean a Safe Haven for Extremist Groups?
    Col. Richard Kemp

    http://www.jcpa.org/JCPA/Templates/ShowPage.asp?DRIT=1&DBID=1&LNGID=1&TMID=111&FID=283&PID=1845&IID=4579&TTL=Will_an_IDF_Withdrawal_from_the_West_Bank_Mean_a_Safe_Haven_for_Extremist_Groups?

  201. thanks for your kind words Daniel but don’t worry

    when it comes to the Gerts of this world they can’t insult me or my family – that is beyond their power. I don’t even have to take an extra shower because of his feverish ramblings.

    when he stoops to depicting the Russian soldiers though the way he does I very much object – but that is probably a very German thing
    – as I said before my family was of the “no Nazi” variety which doesn’t signify much as there were long periods when the NSDAP wouldn’t accept new members. They said they never tried but so they would, wouldn’t they.

    When around 1967 I was friends with a group of German-SouthAmerican Jews who were in my town for training courses some of their mothers had returned with them due to better pension and medical care. So my mother got to know them also and they liked eachother quite a bit, went on vacations together etc. In real life it was all very very ambiguous and confusing in those years before serious historians got to work on it and one could begin to try to find some red threads in it.

    Can you hear cicadas from where you are?
    every time I open the Shalom centre website I seem to smell the mediterranean and hear the cicadas and city noise mingling.

  202. Gert as usual ignorant of nuance

    You and your choirboys do so all the time.

    I wonder whether DSM IV or is it already V has to say about the condition

  203. Adam, your comment https://richardmillett.wordpress.com/2010/08/16/the-battle-of-monmouth-street/#comment-2831
    covers one of the reasons why antisemites are so anti-. The truth is quite difficult to find: it takes persistence and time if not indeed dedication. The lies appear to be about a million a penny. I am a person who doesn’t like to be fooled and I’m sure I’m not alone in that. From Gert’s showing just in this thread I would say that he is totally bogged down in a cesspit of lies and hatred. He must be absorbing the filth through his skin to be so ready to spit out bile. Whoever said that he is operating on a visceral and unhealthily false emotional level is absolutely correct. He got so angry with Silke I wonder if misogynism is one of his characteristics too.

    I think we should take pity on him and tell him that Judea and Samaria are Israel’s not only through the legal instrument the Mandate for Palestine but through the war Arabs declared in 1967. Jordan’s illegal occupation of Judea and Samaria, including part of Jerusalem, was ended by its losing that war. Jordan no longer has any interest in those areas – beyond making sure that none of the residents move to Jordan. Facts like these are not difficult to find.

    And are these “anti-Israel” clones aware of the greater number of Jewish genuine refugees – not dynastic unique ones – caused by the war waged by Arabs in 1948? No handouts or flotillas for them. No restoration of real rather than imaginary property. No murderers/terrorists attached to them. No demand for anything they never owned.

    Like night and day, really. It is incomprehensible that the Arab fantasia has so much currency in the allegedly developed world. To see antisemitism amplified like a Hitler rant is an offence against the humanity we developed in our struggle out of mediaeval brutality. Now these “demonstrators” would have us time-travel back past it. A big shock awaits them if they should ever succeed.

  204. modernityblog

    Richard,

    It is sometimes amusing to read the ranting of the likes of Gert, but surely doesn’t it demonstrate, fairly conclusively, how irrational that mindset is, and why arguing with such people is futile?

    Nothing that is said to the likes of Gert gets through, to paraphrase Jonathan Swift “you can’t reason someone out of a position that they did not reason themselves into”

    That seems amply demonstrated by any exchange with these so called “Anti-Zionists”.

  205. modernityblog
    I keep asking myself the same question but there is Daniel arguing to let them demonstrate how barmy they are
    I am not quite convinced by the argument but as long as I have no better I follow his lead
    also I must admit I have quite some fun glimpsing the workings of Gerts malfunctioning brain

    Ariadne
    if you want a lighter note than what you find on this blog and some real laughs, go to Gert’s (klick on his name) and read the exchance between him and his reader about how much he suffers from the abuse he experiences here. Hitherto I had always doubts whether the stories in women’s magazines about men getting in contact with their touchy-feely selfs in group meetings weren’t fantasy. They may not exist in real life but they sure do in that thread and probably in others.

  206. Ghastly, we shall see, very shortly, who is “middle aged” and who “pot bellied” . . . oooh, I haven’t look forward to anything this much in ages!

  207. Daniel Marks

    My 11-year-old son Ariel pointed out this gem:

    “I understand there are classes who teach even those advanced in years like you are how to read.” – Gert

    “..classes who teach..” – Do they also teach their students to use relative pronouns correctly?

    1. I understand there are classes ____ teach even those advanced in years like you are how to read.
    a. who
    b. that
    c. whose
    d. how

    His friend (also 11) then pointed out that:

    “even those advanced in years like you are..” – is wrong and should have read:

    “..even those as advanced in years as you are..”

    Here Endeth the Lesson

  208. Daniel
    give my thanks to Ariel and tell him I’d appreciate it very very much, if he’d take me on as a student correcting my English on a more regular basis.

    For now I thank him for the reminder that I really must pay more attention to not let languages mix in my head. I have one excuse though. I have only recently discovered that I, with practice, may have a chance of becoming an adequate translator. As you can imagine to discover that I can do something with ease and delight which I’ve always considered beyond me is exhilarating, especially as it has happened so late in life.

    But isn’t it cute that fluent in FOUR languages Gertiebaby who has tried to mock me more than once because of my lack of language skills missed to pounce on that one?

    Another one where Gertiebaby always pontificating on the big picture misses the specifics.

  209. Oh dear, they’ve sent in the cavalry, in the form of uber Semitophile, ‘Modders, You Plonquer’:

    It is sometimes amusing to read the ranting of the likes of Gert, but surely doesn’t it demonstrate, fairly conclusively, how irrational that mindset is, and why arguing with such people is futile?

    Still not knowing his arse from his elbow, prissy bourgeois wants to make a supporting contribution to the Hyper Far Right 101 Keyboard Warriors of S-s-s-s…sionism. The last time he tried in earnest to support something similar that the cat dragged in (‘Hawkeye’) it ended badly. Unfortunately ‘our children isn’t learning’…

  210. Oh dear, they’ve sent in the cavalry, in the form of uber Semitophile, ‘Modders, You Plonquer’:

    It is sometimes amusing to read the ranting of the likes of Gert, but surely doesn’t it demonstrate, fairly conclusively, how irrational that mindset is, and why arguing with such people is futile?

    Still not knowing his arse from his elbow, prissy bourgeois wants to make a supporting contribution to the Hyper Far Right 101 Keyboard Warriors of S-s-s-s…sionism. The last time he tried in earnest to support something similar that the cat dragged in (‘Hawkeye’) it ended badly. Unfortunately ‘our children isn’t learning’…

  211. Donnerwetter our Gertiebaby seems to be quite excited this afternoon.
    Why do I think that?
    because when he is excited he gets his formatting wrong and then like a little school boy afraid of getting reprimanded or maybe even deliciously whipped he corrects himself

    but another question in this respect: I once read that some artists experimented with something that sounded rather weird to me and which they called automatic writing
    http://www.truths.com/sample.htm
    could it be that that virus has spread to Gert or is what we are witnessing here just him “SUFFERING” from “ABUSE” and muscle-Joe not available to soothe his pains?

    • Gert
      those were the days we thought they’d never end and now darling Albert José Miraya alias Fraudster Ibrahim hasn’t offered anything for more than two months. I understand how bereft you must feel due to that loss. All that long word pontificating and now all you feel inspired to is lower than 3rd-class (drittklassig) sewer language.
      I feel for you and am bursting with glee at the same time

  212. It would appear that I was indeed remembering wrongly and that Silke for the last ten or so comments at The Hasbara Buster used a Google moniker, which is here and seems intact:

    http://www.blogger.com/profile/03997615595999490437

  213. It’s also clear that Silke made her very last comment (so far) on July 10, 2010 8:30 AM:

    http://thehasbarabuster.blogspot.com/2010/06/israeli-violence-ongoing-systemic-and.html?showComment=1278775843008#c7899312422364398985

    using said moniker, the profile of which is unavailable to the general public (a practice those who protect their own privacy often use).

    So where, pray tell, is the evidence of theft? The moniker it seems is still live and functioning! I see no complaints about it having been stolen either. None.

  214. Silke paced hundreds of comments signing in as Anonymous and signing her drivel with ‘Silke, at the Hasbara Buster blog. Yet it appears indeed that she obtained a Google moniker for the very last of her efforts (so far) at The Hasbara Buster. Out of the blue sky she then conjures up the false accusation that I stole said moniker on the grounds that Hasbara Buster ‘is too stupid’ but ‘Gert is a geek’. She presents no evidence for this claim, despite having been prodded by me at Dannenbaum’s own little cesspit of ‘unlimited free speech’.

    I really think she should take her case to Google. That’ll be a laugh…

  215. Ooops… ‘placed’ of course. Not ‘paced’.

  216. As always with ‘Modernityblog’ he’s careful not to provide a link to his own blaguette (home of Modders) for fear that some of the lowlife that frequents Millett’s cafe will come wafting over to his and crap on his polished marble floor. A coward if I’ve ever seen one…

    • Gert who has walled up his blog scared to death of commenters, wailing to muscle Joe like a little mother’s boy about spam comments like no other I know of calling somebody else a coward has a certain flavour that only a woman of discrimination like myself can savour fully.

    • Gert
      when may we expect to read YOUR NormProfile ?

  217. thanks Gert that was very instructive …
    http://www.blogger.com/profile/03997615595999490437
    so whoever commented under my moniker presumably proceded like that. He, lets assume it is a he, after all no she could be so smart😉, set up his own Google profile as a Silkie instead of a Silke which Google naturally had no objection to and then after having commented a couple of times under that moniker changed it into Silke. Why else would both come up with the same URL? In my book in the context of comments at Fraudster Ibrahim that makes it still theft.
    btw here is my last genuine comment under the Google moniker Silke – thanks for reminding me how much fun I had imagining those tattoos. (The link you provide at 2:25 is from page 1, the comments spill over to page 2, playing dumb like that is really beneath you)

    great news about Gertie just in
    “he does NOT have a tattoo on his left …”
    just like he does NOT try to monetize his blog
    lots of “nots” one has to keep in mind about GertieDear
    July 10, 2010 12:18 PM

    and here’s the URL for both Silkie and stolen Silke in case somebody’s interested. http://www.blogger.com/profile/07639310801705529421

    and all these weeks since July 11, 2010 12:56 AM Gert has been telling us that stealing a moniker at Google is extremely hard, doesn’t seem so any longer.

    Now Gert has to tell us what he has implemented to prevent us from playing that trick on him? Not that I’d think him worth the trouble, Daniel is right nothing can highlight the attractiveness of the pro-Israel crowd better than Gert’s insane rants. And last but not least as long a Gert doesn’t tell me how to prevent that happening again I can never do him the honour of saying something nice about something he writes on his blog – ooops that is if he ever writes something instead of unadorned copy and paste.

  218. Ariadne

    I agree completely. Gert is now emotionally connected to his false arguments (in fact, what arguments?) His hatred and frothing at the mouth betray one who is unable to reason. No-one will ever get through to him – he is beyond critical thought – or any thought. He makes a whole load of assumptions, none of which are true, so that he doesn’t have to labour under cognitive dissonance. His use of the word “herrenvolk” is simple antisemitism, drawing parallels between Jews and Nazis. He has even called Jews “undesirables.” And his abusive language is simply pathetic.

    This is the kind of sick mentality israel (and any civilized people) are up against.

  219. Hi Adam good to see you again

    Gert is in best form these days, disgorging his sewer stuff on the other blog he was invited to also while threatening at the same time to file complaints and have people’s blogs pulled down
    http://ruth33.wordpress.com/speakers-corner/

    soon he’ll be biting the carpet, morphe or morphine into a Teppichfresser, let’s hope his teeth will be up to it so the NHS doesn’t have to pony up to repair the damage.

  220. What I note, Adam and Silke, is that the latter has been making allegation upon allegation against me from so-called ironic to far worse. Now she decided to go one step further and accuse me of stealing her Google account. Looks like she should eat humble pie for such a scandalous and baseless accusation, for which as I’ve demonstrated there exists not even the slightest shred of evidence, QUITE THE CONTRARY.

    As regards Dannenbaum’s blog, there won’t be a peep from me to WP. A blog with ‘absolute Free speech’ is doomed to fail by itself: all speech has limits. If Millett had any sense or self-respect he’d ‘censor’ much of the commentary here, including mine. But it wasn’t me that started the mud fest. And Adamtje too is far from innocent.

    BTW, loved you argument that you’re not a Jew. Sure, that makes you objective, right? Even basic logic escapes you…

    In the mean time your mutual friend Dannenbaum is still deciding whether to join the English Defence League. Priceless! Proof of idiocy gladly offered. And I thought Hoffman was a real twit. No, try Daniel Marks for size…

  221. don’t be so impatient Gert …

    your “proof” that “nobody” stole my Google moniker has been very inspiring to me, alas in the excitement of feeling enlightened I have inserted two URLs into the text and so landed again in moderation.

    It is too beautiful a comment to split it up and so I just wait for Richard to get around to giving it a green light. The same applies to the Speaker’s Corner at West Bank to West End where I put a copy to test whether they have the same one URL only rule activated.

  222. Silke:

    So maybe someone did steal your moniker. I could be wrong on that. But you have no right to so vehemently accuse me of something I didn’t do and for which you presented no evidence.

    I, going out of my way to please you, went to HB and looked for evidence of moniker theft. There wasn’t any. Nor were there any complaints from you about alleged theft.

    The moniker that you used in the last comments you made at HB appears to function as normal.

    Stealing a Google account must be one of the hardest things to do: Google has probably something near half a billion of such accounts, yet moniker theft isn’t something you hear much about. It would be impossible to run Google’s empire if Google didn’t have the strongest firewalls in the business. I wouldn’t know where or how to start and HAVEN’T GOT THE SLIGHTEST INTENTION OF STARTING NOW OR EVER.

    If you do have incontrovertible proof that your account has been stolen then you MUST notify Google. If you don’t do that, shut up and get another one.

  223. when may we expect to read YOUR NormProfile ?

    Never. Norman Geras is one of those people that finds antisemitism in empty cookie jars. A pseudo-intellectual.

    • me thinks Gertiebaby suffers from a case of sour grapes🙂
      only I can’t imagine him to be as sleek and having such a beautiful bushy tail as this one here

  224. Gert
    you are still being way too impatient
    the comment where I described in detail what your hint made me find is still awaiting moderation

    even a four year old would show better self-control – I trust either Richard or somebody over at West Bank to West End will get around to doing moderation and then you will be able to read what’s been posted by me at 3:11 pm here and at 3:28 over there in Speaker’s Corner.

    just let me say if your research has been honest than you are a really really sloppy sleuth – is that the reason why you are still “between jobs” albeit by now into “projects”?

    but why does not knowing what I came up with so itchy?

  225. Lost your capitals and punctuation, dearest?

    I’ve been waiting for over five hours. And you call me impatient?

  226. You getting a bit frustrated with all that ‘moderation’?

  227. I’ve been waiting for over five hours. And you call me impatient?

    men have been known to patiently wait for me a lot longer than that

    if you want things to hurry up tell Richard to lift the moderation. I know what I know and will be eternally grateful to you for giving me such a generous helping hand.

    as to English lessons I am “betrothed” to Ariel for those and being a faithful gal will heed no other advice not even from a fluent in 4 languages geek.

    as to fingering oneself – is that how you do it – not left-, not right-, not both-handed like poor Fraudster Ibrahim, just fingering a bit, somehow seems to fit you, is that what the two fingered gesture of the Facebook Gert is about? No wonder I didn’t know it.

  228. howdy Gert,
    as you are so impatient as to the result of your kind help as to the moniker-stealing-enigma at Fraudster Ibrahim’s there are news:

    Richard has taken my comment out of moderation
    … and I am really looking forward to further advice from you as to possible methods of prevention. You really seem to have some of the knowledge a geek should have. But if it wasn’t you who took over the moniker to date you have shown nothing much out of what one expect even of one only mildly interested in it.

    https://richardmillett.wordpress.com/2010/08/16/the-battle-of-monmouth-street/#comment-2904

  229. Silke:

    Complain to Google or shut up.

  230. At HB you will not get away with it this time. I will personally make sure that even one syllable of ad hom from you will be deleted.

    You must really have your self surrounded by very like-minded people. Otherwise don’t forget to hand out head ache tablets generously to those who have to deal with you in real life.

  231. Gert
    I will personally make sure that even one syllable of ad hom from you will be deleted.

    now this is for once really interesting news especially given your idea of what constitutes an ad hom.
    – you will take over the management of Fraudster Ibrahim’s blog?
    Have you informed him of that already?
    Will you charge him for it or will it be a charity job?

    or are you switching into ominous or empty “threats” because your claimed geekdom isn’t worth all that much? After all if it were, you could tell us, what to do to prevent moniker-thuggery of the kind that most likely happened to me as detailed by me at 3:11 yesterday.

    BTW for anybody who isn’t up to reading through that tedious stuff at Fraudster Ibrahim’s I challenged Fake Ibrahim again and again to ban me, that was actually at the time the only reason I got myself a google moniker because I hoped it would make it easier for him to ban me. Alberto José Miraya alias Ibrahim Ibn Yusuf alias Hasbara Buster refused to do it several times on very very flimsy grounds.

  232. You’ll just have to learn to behave, dear. Millett will eventually also wise up. Having ‘commenters’ run riot is no good for any blog. Comment sections are like ‘letters to the editor’, even the editor of the ‘Dodge City Gazette’ files most of his ‘correspondence’ in the circular filing system.

    You deliberately set out to get under people’s skin. You say so yourself. No one should have to ‘suffer’ that. I’m only here because of you. Millett’s idiotic posts don’t interest me anymore.

  233. most likely happened to me as detailed by me at 3:11 yesterday.

    There’s nothing there, “at 3:11 yesterday”. You botched. Loonies always do. You’re an insufferable old cow.

  234. You definitely still have residual Nazi tendencies. Attacks on the resistance, attacks on German Communists pre-war, diminishment of the occupation of countries occupied by your former war criminals, a Vater in the Wehrmacht, name it and you’ve got it. You’re like on of these Catholics in Spain, after Franco died. Boohoohoo, they cried…

    You sure you didn’t marry a Kapo?

  235. I’m only here because of you.

    is that really true Gert?
    how very very sweet of you, I feel immensely flattered but how cruel of you to be so dismissive of Adam and all the others.

  236. There’s nothing there, “at 3:11 yesterday”. You botched. Loonies always do. You’re an insufferable old cow.

    wow up to now I’d have credited you at least with rudimentary reading abilities but since you’ve confessed that your geekdom is restricted to HTML tags I believe any rumour on how challenged you are generally.

    https://richardmillett.wordpress.com/2010/08/16/the-battle-of-monmouth-street/#comment-2904

    for the ctrl-F-ers: the text start with and since Gert wants to deny it exists it should be an interesting read to others also.
    thanks Gert that was very instructive …

  237. Millett will eventually also wise up. Having ‘commenters’ run riot is no good for any blog.

    now I see what Gert is up to with his popsicle rants. Since he doesn’t have the skill or the mental capacity to get under someone’s skin in any other way he tries to destroy a blog by going over the top.

    Is it known whether he pulled that stunt elsewhere?

  238. You’re a crashing bore. Stick your moniker where the sun doesn’t shine.

  239. It is said that when people get afraid their sweat takes on a peculiar odour which in turn makes some dogs get unpredictable .

    Better for Gert to have a shower and calm down before he ventures outside next.

    This moniker story seems to really give him the jitters, strange, especially given that he claims that his geekdom doesn’t go beyond knowing how to use HTML tags.

    a bit of a conundrum Gert isn’t it? either lose your claim to superior geekdom or give some advice on how to prevent it ever happening to anybody else again.

    here’s my guess on what happened – I’d of course appreciate any real geek on this thread commenting on it.

  240. Put your money where your stinking mouth is and complain to Google.

  241. Put your money where your stinking mouth is and complain to Google

    why should I if all I have to do is to wait for you to explain it one of these days when you have enough of being called the geek who knows about HTML tags and nothing else.

    Do you have an address to which one sends strange stuff happening on Google?
    oh ooops I forgot your geekdom is only about HTML tags.

  242. ‘myvaterhadtoeathisownbollocks@google.com’ will probably do…

  243. Gert
    could it be that the fact that you have been outwitted by an old woman and a newbie to boot is gnawing away the last of your functioning grey cells?

    Since I can’t help suspecting that you are trying to bury that google account moniker thuggerism story here is the link again and I’d appreciate any real geeks comments on it.

    https://richardmillett.wordpress.com/2010/08/16/the-battle-of-monmouth-street/#comment-2904

  244. and here’s the URL for both Silkie and stolen Silke in case somebody’s interested.

    No one is. Your kakamami story has gone past its sell by date.

  245. The gentleman??? doth protest too much, methinks.

  246. Bringing commenters’ deceased parents into discussions is the lowest of the low. Pure filth.

    And I will remind myself of it, and not to feel any sympathy, when Gert starts complaining that he doesn’t like the taste of his ice cream.

    • The Belcher burps again and it stinks…

      Bringing commenters’ deceased parents into discussions is the lowest of the low. Pure filth.

      ‘Discussions’? From a tabloid reader not too much is to be expected but can you actually read?

      Belchie, for all the macho bluster, is easily shocked of course: he practically fell of his bean bag because someone believes in statehood for the Palestinians! Schock, horror!

      I might pass on the ice cream and just have a popsicle…

  247. So Jonathan Hoffman gets caught with his hands in the cookie jar. I wonder what else he hasn’t been 100% honest with?

    http://www.thejc.com/blogpost/statement-regarding-photo-taken-pro-ahava-demonstration-14-august

    • So JH is a thief of some sort? That’s an ancient anti-Jewish slander, you anti-semitic creep. Neither Ahad Ha’am or Jeremiah Haber would agree with you.

      Likewise you slander that JH is colluding or cooperating with the EDL, merely because they turn up uninvited, and because, at the right angle, you can capture them with some ZF in the same photo.

      Smear by association, you fascistic creep.

  248. Oh dear, from Haber’s link:

    On my Jewish Chronicle blog I described a photograph taken on 14 August 2010 at the pro-Ahava demonstration as “fraudulent”. I also wrote “That photo was ‘Photoshopped’ — and it is bloody obvious that it was
    ‘Photoshopped’ I do not discuss but I do identify lies and fraudulent
    Photoshopped photos.”

    These statements were entirely without foundation and I had made no
    attempt to check their accuracy. I accept that the photo was absolutely
    genuine and had not been tampered with in any way. The photographer,
    David Hoffman, is a well known and respected photojournalist and I
    apologise to him unreservedly for my hasty and unfounded comments and
    for the distress and embarrassment caused.

    Priceless. When will the man swallow his tongue? It would be for the better…

  249. @Gert
    Just to set the record straight, I am not Jerimiah Haber – I just link to his site because I agree with pretty much all he says – I wouldn’t want anyone to think I was pulling a fast one – unlike a certain someone else😉

    PS. JH was at Amnesty yesterday making a fool of himself again.

    • ‘I just link to his site because I agree with pretty much all he says’

      He doesn’t agree with anti-semitic creeps like you.

  250. strange customs you Brits have …

    I read Jonathan’s comment as unequivocally ironic
    and I’ve always been told that Brits when it comes to irony are vastly vastly superior to us clumsy Teutons

    it can’t be that you have lost it? please say that hasn’t happened? not to the country from which all these unsurpassable writers originated!

    and ain’t it nice Gertie finally found a soulmate. I am so glad for him his lonely sobbings were really beginning to get to me

  251. For those of you who have forgotten the picture, here is it again, in it’s full unphotoshopped glory:

    http://hoffman.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/100814-EDL-Ahava/G00001_UnyZfcLWI/I0000Exn0gC1EnGc

    • So what?

      It doesn’t mean cooperation or collusion between ZF and EDL?

      You have nothing to do with Ahad Ha’am you hypocritical creep, who pretends to be a Jew. Ahad Ha’am would have doubtless been unhappy with EdL turning up, but he wouldn’t have jumped to smear anyone merely because they turn up and share the same length of pavement, entirely uninvited.

  252. Mostly harmless:

    JH at Amnesty??? They tolerate supporters of war criminals there?

    Haber is good. I keep forgetting him for some reason. Old age probably…

  253. Mostly harmless:

    If you go up a bit you’ll find a Settler from Ma’ale Adumim from Britain (Daniel Marks) who is seriously contemplating joining the EDL. Shit you couldn’t make up!

  254. Hi Silke

    I’m busy so only occasionally popping in to this blog. Don’t waste your time with it. The man (in the loosest sense) has no argument or constructive comments to make, just sheer hatred and vitriol, motivated by who knows what. As you can see, he stoops at nothing, and his constant use of the Holocaust (now it’s kapos) to send moronic and meaningless insults just demeans him. He’s a disgrace – just leave it. He can talk to himself (which I’m sure he does – I mean, do you think this weirdo has any friends?) I remember he got very sensitive when people started using his daughter to make jokes, but I notice he keeps mentioning your father. Seems he can dish it out, but can’t take it.

    Not worth the time.

  255. hi Adam
    how nice of you to say hello
    have a good time and make lots of money while being at it😉

    and what is this about Gert
    – who is Gert?
    – never heard of him

  256. Jonathan Hoffman

    In my post of 18 August 2010 on this site I described a photograph
    taken on 14 August 2010 at the pro-Ahava demonstration as “photoshopped”.

    This statement was entirely without foundation and I had made no attempt
    to check its accuracy. I accept that the photo was absolutely genuine
    and had not been tampered with in any way. The photographer, David
    Hoffman, is a well known and respected photojournalist and I apologise
    to him unreservedly for my hasty and unfounded comment and for the
    distress and embarrassment caused.

    • I just assumed you meant “taken at a convenient angle”, to make it look as though you were colluding when you were doing no such thing.

      The photo may be genuine, but that is about it.

  257. Daniel Marks

    I’m a little dubious all the same. I suspect that tattoo on her right mammary to be a photoshopped image of Gert.

    In the event that it isn’t I apologize unreservedly to her, David (the well known and respected photojournalist), her tattoo artist, Gert, the bloke with the flag and the notebook, the chap holding his hip, the aged overweight fellow in fake military attire a the copper with the shiny shoes.

    On the off chance that the aforementioned military attire is not fake, but genuine, I apologize unreservedly and grovelingly to the the bloke wearing it and the quarter-master who issued it to him.

    In the eventuality that David John Hoffman thinks I’m taking the piss, I apologize to him profusely and wish him a shabbat shalom. (:

  258. Am I right to assume that some probably genuinely smart lawyer has guessed that the obviously ironical remark could cost Jonathan Hoffman a fortune given the idiocy of the crowd which is after him, given that the Anti-Ahavas have been acquitted one must assume that whoever goes first to a British judge these days and complains vigorously gets granted whatever he/she asks for.

    These stories keep cropping up all the time of books published in the US getting forbidden, of ex-foreign ministers of democratic states in danger of landing in jail etc. etc. The UK is the land of the Magna Charta but either the media present it all wrong or something is about to become rotten in the state of …

  259. Below is another photograph by our well known and respected photojournalist

    This time we get a better look at the EDL gentleman in his military garb and it is clear that he is significantly less overweight than I wrongly suggested in a previous posting.

    I apologize unreservedly and categorically to the aforementioned individual for any embarrassment or discomfort that I may have caused him, his family, loved ones, the lady with the tattoo, the other rather more scruffy looking photographer and all of the Croydon branch of the EDL.

    All that remains is to look carefully at the gentleman’s lips and to guess which word he was in the middle of articulating.

    http://hoffman.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/100814-EDL-Ahava/G00001_UnyZfcLWI/I0000Dj1PPiEhC6Q

  260. who’d have ever thought that for no matter how narrowly focused a purpose Crusaders and Zionists have a common grievance

    maybe some scholar of ancient times should go through the documents and check whether this has a tradition.
    I remember last year? quite some historians trying to prove or proving that muslim rulers have been on and off very accommodating to crusaders trying to convince “us” presumably thereby that today’s Christians would do well to recognize their “real” friends through all the ages – never mind the sieges of Vienna, those were the minor aberrations they insinuated while “true” islam was …

    when it comes to volatile analogies I think we “open visor” admirers still have a lot to learn …