Red Ken explains suicide bombings in Israel (again)

Ken Livingstone (Daily Mail)

Ken Livingstone, ex Mayor of London, has given an interview on Press TV (see below) to Andrew Gilligan, Daily Telegraph journalist. In it Livingstone explains suicide bombings against Israeli civilians and accuses respected journalist, Martin Bright, of being an “Islamophobe”.

Livingstone indicated that he will be standing again for London Mayor in 2012.

Gilligan presses Livingstone on the embrace he gave to Islamic preacher, Yusuf “homosexuality is a sin” al-Qaradawi, who Livingstone views as “a great reforming radical”. Livingstone simply compares al-Qaradawi’s views on homosexuality to those of the Chief Rabbi and the Church of England.

Livingstone explains that although al-Qaradawi denounced 9/11 and the 7/7 bombings, he makes the exception for suicide bombings inside Israel because the Palestinians’ land is occupied and they have no weapons apart from their own bodies.

Livingstone thinks that the only reason Jews might be offended by this mentality is because they defend Israel “right or wrong”. He says: “There would not be any Palestine suicide bombers if Israel withdrew from the occupied lands. If Israel wants peace it should withdraw from the occupied territories and dismantle its nuclear weapons.”

To most people this would sound like someone who condones suicide bombings in Israel. Gilligan puts this to Livingstone, who denies it. Gilligan does not, sadly, press Livingstone further on this point.

Next Gilligan asks Livingstone about his exchange with Evening Standard journalist Oliver Finegold, whom Livingstone knew to be Jewish when accusing him of being a “concentration camp guard”. Livingstone explains he will not exempt Finegold from slurs about him being a journalist just because he is a Jew: “He’s a reporter before he’s a Jew.”

Livingstone also refers to Martin Bright, respected Jewish Chronicle and Spectator journalist, as “a bit of an Islamophobe”. Gilligan suggests that Livingstone makes the “Islamophobia” accusation too readily against people who disagree with his views and reminded him that he recently had to apologise and pay damages to Michael Keith for making a similar accusation.

Livingstone does not seem to appreciate the difference between Islamism, adhered to by a tiny minority of Muslims and who interprete the Koran in a violent manner, and Islam itself. Livingstone suggests that Muslims in general are under attack from “the parties and newspapers of the right”.

But Gilligan points out that the main critics of Islamic Forum of Europe in his own Dispatches programme were Muslims. Gilligan says he has seen the transcripts of the IFE who seem to say one thing to the likes of Livingstone but something else to others. According to Gilligan, Islamists wish to “overthrow western style democracy”.

Livingstone suggests that there is no way that these kinds of Muslims would wish to work with someone like himself: “Someone who is a fundamentalist Muslim is not going to be prepared to work with me, an atheist and promoter of homosexual tolerance. I’m everything they would loathe and abhor.”

Gilligan points out that “entryism” is the core of Islamism: “They enter into conventional democratic political parties and take them over. That’s there is Maududi.”

Analysis:

Livingstone’s anti-Zionist instincts are on full display here. He once said that Israel should never have been created. He blamed his loss of office to Johnson on the Board of Deputies of British Jews but he cannot seem to accept that his views are not only rejected by Jews but by British society more generally.

In Part 1 (below) Livingstone attacks the current London Mayor, Boris Johnson, even going so far as crediting him with support from the BNP, something that Johnson has no control over. This echoes the accusation that Israel is supported by the English Defence League. Again, this is something Israel cannot control but it is enough for the anti-Zionist brigade to utilise for their criticism of Israel.

In Part 2 (below at 3 mins 35) Livingstone is questioned by Gilligan over the accusation that Livingstone has been “too close to radical Muslims”. Here Livingstone seems to come very close to condoning suicide bombings against Israeli civilians. In a press conference a few weeks after 7/7 he expressed similar sentiments: “Palestinians don’t have jet fighters. They only have their bodies to use as weapons. In that unfair balance, that is what people use.”

And Livingstone views criticising fundamentalist Islam as a case of Islamophobia. He accuses Martin Bright and Gilligan himself of being Islamophobic. Someone who cannot make this basic distinction is plain ignorant.

Livingstone regularly employs what David Hirsh refers to as the Livingstone Formulation when Israel is criticised: “For too long the accusation of anti-Semitism has been used against anyone who is critical of the policies of the Israeli government, as I have been.” (Anti-Zionism and Antisemitism Cosmopolitan Reflections, Yale Initiative for the Interdisciplinary study of Antisemitism, 2007, P.38).

By casting both Bright and Gilligan as Islamophobes this formulation is now being extended to defend criticism of all forms of Islam, including Islamism. Gilligan is right to refer to Maududi. The hard-left in the UK takes homophobes like al-Qaradawi at face value when al-Qaradawi says to Livingstone “It is wrong to strike homosexuals”.

The hard-left is quite flexible at being hoaxed into having sympathy with Islamism eventhough at the core of Islamism is an anti-Semitic, homophobic and misogynistic ideology. This is everything the left would normally reject.

But then again Islamists and the hard-left share one enduring core value: the absence of a Jewish state.

On the Oliver Finegold affair David Hirsh also questions whether Livingstone would have suggested to a black journalist who had similarly questioned him whether he was a “plantation owner”. Likewise, something similar to a Muslim journalist.

All that said, British Muslims are starting to reject those on the hard-left who they feel do not reflect their own Islam, as we saw on election night when a group of 200 Muslims told George Galloway what they thought of him as both he and his Respect Party were rejected by the British people.

With Livingstone also rejected as London’s Mayor this is an encouraging sign.

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8 responses to “Red Ken explains suicide bombings in Israel (again)

  1. Richard,

    Before I comment on this I’ll let you correct a few very obvious mistakes, including spelling mistakes. I think you should proof read more thoroughly before hitting ‘Publish’.

  2. Do you remember when ‘Gert’ said he did not take this blog seriously and would be spending no more time here?

  3. Jonathan Hoffman

    Livingstone told me three times that Israel should not have been created. The third time he said that the previous Chief Rabbi had said the same thing. Lie.

    Livingstone blamed “smears” against him on agents working for the late Israeli prime minister Menachem Begin’s government.

    http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-mayor/article-23478856-anti-semitism—and-a-timely-question-for-ken.do

  4. Unfortunately, there is nothing new in this. KL is well known for his anti-Israel views. I wonder if he makes his views known on his weekly London radio programme? He once suggested that the Jewish lobby had lost him the Mayoral election when really it was because he was , from what I have been told, fairly ineffectual. He’s a bit of a has-been and a bitter one at that. I wont be losing much sleep over his comments as he does not wield much political influence. Another great blog post, Richard. Well done.

  5. Thanks for this important expose of Ken. Incidentally one of the annoyances of being stranded in NY by the cloud was missing the Hendon hustings. Thanks to your coverage I picked up on it, and saw I didn’t miss much anyway.

  6. Daniel Marks

    “Livingstone told me three times that Israel should not have been created. The third time he said that the previous Chief Rabbi had said the same thing. Lie.” – Jonathan Hoffman

    I think that exaggeration would be more appropriate than “lie” on this occasion. Although we’re going back more than three decades and I was but a wee nipper, I do distinctly remember the comment to which I believe Livingstone is referring.

    It was in the late 70s and Rabbi (as yet still not Lord) Immanuel Jakobovits Z”L made some typically absurd statement to the effect that if he thought that the Palestinian problem would not be solved he would say that the State of Israel should not have been created. I am, of course, paraphrasing.

    I remember the occasion for two reasons. Firstly, because somebody asked the late Dayan Fisher for his reaction and he succinctly said, “Next stop, the lunatic asylum”.

    Secondly, I attended a meeting of shlichim, youth leaders etc when the good rabbi was supposed to clarify what he had said. I recall a certain Leah Baum (Bnei Akiva shlicha, kibbutznikit and the only man there) who got up and began, “Don’t you think..” Somebody stopped her and whispered that she should show more respect and address the chief rabbi in the third person.

    Unflustered Leah apologized and said (I paraphrase), “Doesn’t the chief rabbi think he’d be wiser keeping quiet in matters about which he understands nothing.”

  7. “Livingstone explains that although al-Qaradawi denounced 9/11 and the 7/7 bombings, he makes the exception for suicide bombings inside Israel because the Palestinians’ land is occupied and they have no weapons apart from their own bodies. ”

    Who is Qawadari to be speaking for the Palestinians anyway? Hussein Ibish of the American Task Force on Palestine dismisses this as complete bunk: the legitimacy of the Palestinian cause does not make what is illigitimate licit.

    Terrorism is exactly what Hitchens says it is: demanding the impossible at the point of a gun.

    Apologists for terrorism like Livingstone do nothing to promote peace and they need to be outed for this.

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